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From: Thomas Streicher <streicher@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>
To: "Prof. Peter Johnstone" <P.T.Johnstone@dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
Cc: categories@mta.ca
Subject: Re: are fibrations evil?
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 12:46:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1OwQLJ-0002lj-14@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.00.1009161023190.12162@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>

Sure, they are "evil" but it seems to be beneficial to be "evil" sometimes.
If the equivalence closed version would have been the original one I doubt
that it would have been recognized how useful they are for category theory
over fairly general bases. Or, rather, people would have quickly shifted to
the "evil" version.

BTW under a regime which identifies equality with being isomorphic (or weakly
equivalent) it looks tempting to use functors from B^\op to Cat. These should
capture the pseudo-functors since equality and isomorphism are identified. But
writing down functoriality in type theory using \Sigma for existence amounts
to choosing a lot of not at all canonical "canonical isomorphisms". Actually,
one would get something even more general than pseudo-functors because one
wouldn't write down the coherence conditions (actually one couldn't even
since there is no honest for good equality!).

Thomas


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-09-16 10:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-15 11:43 Thomas Streicher
2010-09-16  0:28 ` Michael Shulman
2010-09-16  1:14 ` Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine
2010-09-16  5:14 ` Is equality evil? Vaughan Pratt
2010-09-17  8:28   ` Toby Bartels
2010-09-18 14:11     ` Thomas Streicher
2010-09-19 20:30       ` Erik Palmgren
2010-09-24 12:50       ` Bas Spitters
     [not found]     ` <20100918141110.GC9467@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>
2010-09-22  4:00       ` Toby Bartels
2010-09-25 16:18         ` Michael Shulman
     [not found]       ` <20100922040041.GB14958@ugcs.caltech.edu>
2010-09-22 10:27         ` Thomas Streicher
2010-09-16  8:50 ` why it matters that fibrations are "evil" Thomas Streicher
     [not found] ` <AANLkTinosTZ2NQW9biPxiwpX9zPi5m=kwvA16nHjK=Xu@mail.gmail.com>
2010-09-16  9:47   ` are fibrations evil? Thomas Streicher
2010-09-16 10:00 ` Prof. Peter Johnstone
     [not found] ` <alpine.LRH.2.00.1009161023190.12162@siskin.dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
2010-09-16 10:46   ` Thomas Streicher [this message]
2010-09-17  7:44     ` Toby Bartels
     [not found] ` <20100916094755.GA19976@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>
2010-09-17  5:01   ` Michael Shulman
2010-09-18 13:48     ` Thomas Streicher
     [not found] ` <20100918134829.GB9467@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>
2010-09-20 16:25   ` Michael Shulman
2010-09-17  2:17 David Roberts
2010-09-17  4:36 John Baez
2010-09-18 13:50 ` Joyal, André
2010-09-19 14:57   ` David Yetter
     [not found]   ` <F8DA87C6-CBED-44AE-B964-B766A95D8417@math.ksu.edu>
2010-09-19 18:21     ` Joyal, André
2010-09-20 17:04       ` Eduardo J. Dubuc
2010-09-20 16:59   ` Eduardo J. Dubuc
2010-09-22  2:52     ` Toby Bartels
     [not found]     ` <20100922025245.GA14958@ugcs.caltech.edu>
2010-09-22 18:56       ` Eduardo J. Dubuc
     [not found]       ` <4C9A5156.3010307@dm.uba.ar>
2010-09-22 21:06         ` Toby Bartels
2010-09-24 23:43 Fred E.J. Linton

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