categories - Category Theory list
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Thomas Streicher <streicher@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>
To: Michael Shulman <shulman@math.uchicago.edu>
Cc: categories@mta.ca
Subject: Re: reverting religious terminology
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:38:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1P36Pb-0000FG-VI@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinBZPYUYvf+XQWO7uev7jN84q2=vqQEj0GZjj4c@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for forgetting about your posting from a couple of weeks ago. I can
see that working with essential fibres escapes my criticism.
Still I feel uneasy about it because it messes up things to such an extent
that I can't imagine to rewrite even a basic introductory section of a text
about fibrations in terms of weak fibrations. Of course, one could do it using
the language  of intensional type theory and then interpreting it in the
groupoid model. I couldn't say in advance whether formalizing basic theory of
fibrations in intensional type theory is possible. Experience tells us that
there pop up unpleaseant suprises in even simpler situations.
So my question is what do you (or other readers of the list) think why a
non-evil account of fibrations could be useful after all besides for
ideological reasons. Generalising to 2-categories like toposes and geometric
morphisms - which is useful - is not an example because there one still may
stay strict and reduce everything to Grothendieck fibrations as you have
explained convincingly.
From http://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/Grothendieck+fibration I take that weak
fibrations are necessary only when considering fibrations in bicategories
that are not 2-categories. Why not take the paradigmatic case of the bicategory
Dist of distributors. Has this exampe been worked out in detail.

Thomas


[For admin and other information see: http://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/ ]


  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-10-04 19:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-04 10:36 Thomas Streicher
2010-10-04 18:49 ` Michael Shulman
     [not found] ` <AANLkTinBZPYUYvf+XQWO7uev7jN84q2=vqQEj0GZjj4c@mail.gmail.com>
2010-10-04 19:38   ` Thomas Streicher [this message]
     [not found] ` <20101004193802.GB12769@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>
2010-10-04 21:25   ` Michael Shulman

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=E1P36Pb-0000FG-VI@mlist.mta.ca \
    --to=streicher@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de \
    --cc=categories@mta.ca \
    --cc=shulman@math.uchicago.edu \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).