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From: "Eduardo J. Dubuc" <edubuc@dm.uba.ar>
To: categories <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: property_vs_structure
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 12:42:44 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1P3SxX-0000HM-Ft@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1P36OT-0000Cw-R5@mlist.mta.ca>

Michael Shulman wrote:
>
> property = forgetful functor is full and faithful
> structure = forgetful functor is faithful
> property-like structure = forgetful functor is pseudomonic
>

On the thread "property"  "structure"  "property-like structure" and may be
some other etceteras.

I put on the table the following example to be analyzed:


Let  f: X --> B a continuous function of topological spaces:
[assume surjective to simplify, and if b \in B, write X_b for the fiber
X_b = f^-1(b)].

Then, we have the two familiar definitions a) and b):

f is "fefesse" if given b \in B, then

a) for each x \in X_b, there is U, b \in U, such that

b) there is U, b \in U, such that for each x \in X_b,

there is V, x \in V, and  f|V : V --> U homeo.

(the non commuting quantifiers again !)

a) fefesse = local homeomorphism

b) fefesse = covering map

Well, both are "properties" of a continuous function, but they are not of the
same kind.

in b) is hidden a structure, namely a trivialization structure associated to
an open cover of B.

If B is locally connected, then "covering map" behaves like a perfectly pure
property.

The difference is only manifest when the space B is not locally connected. In
this case we may have homeomorphisms from X to X over B which do not preserve
this structure (Spanier, Algebraic Topology).

have fun  !  e.d.


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  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-05 15:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-23 10:07 The omega-functor omega-category David Leduc
2010-09-24 15:13 ` Urs Schreiber
2010-09-25  1:40   ` Ross Street
     [not found] ` <BF755983-D6D4-469B-9206-C6B275699C3F@mq.edu.au>
2010-09-25 11:22   ` Urs Schreiber
2010-09-26  2:00     ` David Leduc
     [not found] ` <1216D94C-81A2-49A7-95B3-7543B315A54B@mq.edu.au>
2010-09-26  5:00   ` David Leduc
     [not found] ` <E1P0Oe6-0005AL-SX@mlist.mta.ca>
2010-09-28  1:11   ` David Leduc
2010-09-29  1:09     ` John Baez
2010-09-30  0:29       ` David Leduc
     [not found] ` <AANLkTi=LXzu13GU8ZmB=+-qGTQmV3S-bDp6h+dJJ1xNJ@mail.gmail.com>
2010-09-30  3:10   ` John Baez
2010-10-01 14:22     ` Steve Vickers
2010-10-02 22:03       ` Michael Shulman
2010-10-03 13:32         ` Colin McLarty
2010-10-04  7:52         ` Vaughan Pratt
2010-10-04 18:41           ` Michael Shulman
2010-10-05 15:42             ` Eduardo J. Dubuc [this message]
2010-10-06 12:34               ` errata Eduardo J. Dubuc
     [not found] ` <AANLkTin3LqPLuMFD-xSEuRK9TqBUbHrRRxrdcOEykJJo@mail.gmail.com>
2010-10-03 22:11   ` The omega-functor omega-category Michael Shulman
     [not found] ` <20101007010252.EA0FDCF26@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-07 23:46   ` errata Marta Bunge
     [not found]   ` <SNT101-W63B3FACD04EBDB79A3E389DF6F0@phx.gbl>
2010-10-08  0:40     ` property_vs_structure Eduardo J. Dubuc
     [not found] ` <20101008004112.BE2B38572@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-08 19:19   ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
     [not found]   ` <SNT101-W2444EC2F259963200F4CEEDF500@phx.gbl>
2010-10-08 21:53     ` property_vs_structure Eduardo J. Dubuc
     [not found]     ` <20101008215343.9920DABC2@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>
     [not found]       ` <SNT101-W455AA430BC53CBFDB8DCE3DF510@phx.gbl>
2010-10-09 14:12         ` FW: property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
2010-10-09 21:07         ` property_vs_structure Eduardo J. Dubuc
2010-10-11 13:03           ` property_vs_structure George Janelidze
     [not found] ` <20101009210755.68229A98F@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-09 22:26   ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
     [not found] ` <20101011201507.3A7732E52@mailscan3.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-18 21:04   ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
2010-10-21  0:14     ` property_vs_structure George Janelidze
2010-10-21 17:51 ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
     [not found] ` <20101021002656.76CCDD13F@mailscan3.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-24 21:15   ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
2010-10-25 11:15     ` property_vs_structure George Janelidze
     [not found] ` <20101025111544.E773E63DD@mailscan3.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-25 14:26   ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
     [not found] ` <20101025012021.684BB8F88@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-25 19:30   ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge

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