From: "Eduardo J. Dubuc" <edubuc@dm.uba.ar>
To: categories <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: property_vs_structure
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 12:42:44 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1P3SxX-0000HM-Ft@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1P36OT-0000Cw-R5@mlist.mta.ca>
Michael Shulman wrote:
>
> property = forgetful functor is full and faithful
> structure = forgetful functor is faithful
> property-like structure = forgetful functor is pseudomonic
>
On the thread "property" "structure" "property-like structure" and may be
some other etceteras.
I put on the table the following example to be analyzed:
Let f: X --> B a continuous function of topological spaces:
[assume surjective to simplify, and if b \in B, write X_b for the fiber
X_b = f^-1(b)].
Then, we have the two familiar definitions a) and b):
f is "fefesse" if given b \in B, then
a) for each x \in X_b, there is U, b \in U, such that
b) there is U, b \in U, such that for each x \in X_b,
there is V, x \in V, and f|V : V --> U homeo.
(the non commuting quantifiers again !)
a) fefesse = local homeomorphism
b) fefesse = covering map
Well, both are "properties" of a continuous function, but they are not of the
same kind.
in b) is hidden a structure, namely a trivialization structure associated to
an open cover of B.
If B is locally connected, then "covering map" behaves like a perfectly pure
property.
The difference is only manifest when the space B is not locally connected. In
this case we may have homeomorphisms from X to X over B which do not preserve
this structure (Spanier, Algebraic Topology).
have fun ! e.d.
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Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-09-23 10:07 The omega-functor omega-category David Leduc
2010-09-24 15:13 ` Urs Schreiber
2010-09-25 1:40 ` Ross Street
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2010-09-25 11:22 ` Urs Schreiber
2010-09-26 2:00 ` David Leduc
[not found] ` <1216D94C-81A2-49A7-95B3-7543B315A54B@mq.edu.au>
2010-09-26 5:00 ` David Leduc
[not found] ` <E1P0Oe6-0005AL-SX@mlist.mta.ca>
2010-09-28 1:11 ` David Leduc
2010-09-29 1:09 ` John Baez
2010-09-30 0:29 ` David Leduc
[not found] ` <AANLkTi=LXzu13GU8ZmB=+-qGTQmV3S-bDp6h+dJJ1xNJ@mail.gmail.com>
2010-09-30 3:10 ` John Baez
2010-10-01 14:22 ` Steve Vickers
2010-10-02 22:03 ` Michael Shulman
2010-10-03 13:32 ` Colin McLarty
2010-10-04 7:52 ` Vaughan Pratt
2010-10-04 18:41 ` Michael Shulman
2010-10-05 15:42 ` Eduardo J. Dubuc [this message]
2010-10-06 12:34 ` errata Eduardo J. Dubuc
[not found] ` <AANLkTin3LqPLuMFD-xSEuRK9TqBUbHrRRxrdcOEykJJo@mail.gmail.com>
2010-10-03 22:11 ` The omega-functor omega-category Michael Shulman
[not found] ` <20101007010252.EA0FDCF26@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-07 23:46 ` errata Marta Bunge
[not found] ` <SNT101-W63B3FACD04EBDB79A3E389DF6F0@phx.gbl>
2010-10-08 0:40 ` property_vs_structure Eduardo J. Dubuc
[not found] ` <20101008004112.BE2B38572@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-08 19:19 ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
[not found] ` <SNT101-W2444EC2F259963200F4CEEDF500@phx.gbl>
2010-10-08 21:53 ` property_vs_structure Eduardo J. Dubuc
[not found] ` <20101008215343.9920DABC2@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>
[not found] ` <SNT101-W455AA430BC53CBFDB8DCE3DF510@phx.gbl>
2010-10-09 14:12 ` FW: property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
2010-10-09 21:07 ` property_vs_structure Eduardo J. Dubuc
2010-10-11 13:03 ` property_vs_structure George Janelidze
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2010-10-09 22:26 ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
[not found] ` <20101011201507.3A7732E52@mailscan3.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-18 21:04 ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
2010-10-21 0:14 ` property_vs_structure George Janelidze
2010-10-21 17:51 ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
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2010-10-24 21:15 ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
2010-10-25 11:15 ` property_vs_structure George Janelidze
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2010-10-25 14:26 ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
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2010-10-25 19:30 ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
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