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From: Marta Bunge <marta.bunge@mcgill.ca>
To: <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: property_vs_structure
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 17:15:02 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1PAJvZ-0001Gt-Vl@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101021002656.76CCDD13F@mailscan3.ncs.mcgill.ca>

Dear George,>

I haste to correct a possible misconception arising from my previous posting, and to propose an idea in connection with it. You wrote: 

>
> I am not sure I fully understood what you say about unramified coverings
> versus locally constant coverings. Are you even saying that you found a
> Galois structure on TOP, or on any subcategory of TOP, whose coverings are
> exactly the unramified coverings (and the situation is non-trivial in the
> sense that unramified coverings are not the same as locally constant
> coverings? That would be wonderful!

>
Let C = LoCo/E, defined as in your book Galois Theories (with F. Borceux). An object p  of C with domain F is said to be a covering morphism if there exists a morphism e of effective descent in Top with codomain E such that (F,p) is split by e.  A complete spread p of C with domain F  - that is, an unramified morphism, need not be a covering morphism in C  in your sense, as we know. Whether there is a Galois structure on C whose coverings are precisely the unramified coverings without it forcing them to be identified with the locally constant coverings does not seem likely. At least we know that the class of unramified coverings in C is stable under pullbacks and has other nice properties, so C is a natural choice of universe. The fact that we have called "coverings" the unramified morphisms may then be misleading if coverings are to be tied up with Galois theory. 

>
Nevertheless, it is the case in topology that the notion of a covering in  the traditional sense has been enlarged to include branchings but not folds. A branched covering of a locally connected space E (R.H. Fox 1957)  is  the spread completion of a locally constant covering on a pure open subspace U of E, thought off as "the complement of a knot". At least in this case it is meaningful to consider the "branched fundamental groupoid" (or "knot groupoid") of E with non-singular part U. It might be of interest to consider a notion of  "generalized Galois theory" to encompass this notion of "generalized covering morphism". Let me know what you think. Relevant discussions in topos theory can be found in (Bunge-Niefield 2000), (Funk 2000),  (Bunge-Lack 2003), as well as in (Bunge-Funk 2006, 2007). 

>

With best regards,

>

Marta




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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-10-24 21:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-23 10:07 The omega-functor omega-category David Leduc
2010-09-24 15:13 ` Urs Schreiber
2010-09-25  1:40   ` Ross Street
     [not found] ` <BF755983-D6D4-469B-9206-C6B275699C3F@mq.edu.au>
2010-09-25 11:22   ` Urs Schreiber
2010-09-26  2:00     ` David Leduc
     [not found] ` <1216D94C-81A2-49A7-95B3-7543B315A54B@mq.edu.au>
2010-09-26  5:00   ` David Leduc
     [not found] ` <E1P0Oe6-0005AL-SX@mlist.mta.ca>
2010-09-28  1:11   ` David Leduc
2010-09-29  1:09     ` John Baez
2010-09-30  0:29       ` David Leduc
     [not found] ` <AANLkTi=LXzu13GU8ZmB=+-qGTQmV3S-bDp6h+dJJ1xNJ@mail.gmail.com>
2010-09-30  3:10   ` John Baez
2010-10-01 14:22     ` Steve Vickers
2010-10-02 22:03       ` Michael Shulman
2010-10-03 13:32         ` Colin McLarty
2010-10-04  7:52         ` Vaughan Pratt
2010-10-04 18:41           ` Michael Shulman
2010-10-05 15:42             ` property_vs_structure Eduardo J. Dubuc
2010-10-06 12:34               ` errata Eduardo J. Dubuc
     [not found] ` <AANLkTin3LqPLuMFD-xSEuRK9TqBUbHrRRxrdcOEykJJo@mail.gmail.com>
2010-10-03 22:11   ` The omega-functor omega-category Michael Shulman
     [not found] ` <20101007010252.EA0FDCF26@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-07 23:46   ` errata Marta Bunge
     [not found]   ` <SNT101-W63B3FACD04EBDB79A3E389DF6F0@phx.gbl>
2010-10-08  0:40     ` property_vs_structure Eduardo J. Dubuc
     [not found] ` <20101008004112.BE2B38572@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-08 19:19   ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
     [not found]   ` <SNT101-W2444EC2F259963200F4CEEDF500@phx.gbl>
2010-10-08 21:53     ` property_vs_structure Eduardo J. Dubuc
     [not found]     ` <20101008215343.9920DABC2@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>
     [not found]       ` <SNT101-W455AA430BC53CBFDB8DCE3DF510@phx.gbl>
2010-10-09 14:12         ` FW: property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
2010-10-09 21:07         ` property_vs_structure Eduardo J. Dubuc
2010-10-11 13:03           ` property_vs_structure George Janelidze
     [not found] ` <20101009210755.68229A98F@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-09 22:26   ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
     [not found] ` <20101011201507.3A7732E52@mailscan3.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-18 21:04   ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
2010-10-21  0:14     ` property_vs_structure George Janelidze
2010-10-21 17:51 ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
     [not found] ` <20101021002656.76CCDD13F@mailscan3.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-24 21:15   ` Marta Bunge [this message]
2010-10-25 11:15     ` property_vs_structure George Janelidze
     [not found] ` <20101025111544.E773E63DD@mailscan3.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-25 14:26   ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
     [not found] ` <20101025012021.684BB8F88@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-25 19:30   ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge

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