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From: Marta Bunge <marta.bunge@mcgill.ca>
To: George Janelidze <janelg@telkomsa.net>, <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: property_vs_structure
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:30:44 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1PAYHr-0003qX-8q@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101025012021.684BB8F88@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>


Dear George,
>
Thanks for your interesting response. I contend that "unramified coverings" is not an appropriate expression to describe those "coverings" not associated with a Galois theory in your sense since there is a specific meaning attached to it. I would simply call them "generalized coverings".  Such would be the unramified coverings or just the complete spreads. In fact also  the branched coverings but there is a difference here. For branched coverings, the motivation of it all,  a "branched Galois theory" already exists informally in the subject of knot groupoids. Moreover,  this example gives you the reason concerning coverings and Galois theories.  I devote one paragraph to each contention. 
>
1. Terminology "unramified". When R.H.Fox introduced spreads and their completions, he had in mind what the title of his paper says, that is, "coverings with singularities" so, not the traditional locally constant coverings. There could be "ramifications", or branchings over points of the base. But no folds. Specifically, he was thinking of branched coverings   (branching over a knot in the base) as the spread completions of locally constant coverings, in which branching points were added to the domain space. This is what led him to define a notion of spread, and then perform a completion process. The branched coverings, and more generally the complete spreads of which they are the motivating example, are "ramified". Now, add the condition that the complete spread (e.g. a branched covering) be a local homeomorphism. This does not force it to be locally constant, as we know, but it cannot then have ramifications. Hence the expression "unramified coverings". That is why I suggested "generalized coverings" - for both the ramified and the unramified which are not locally constant. >
2. Do we need a generalized Galois theory to deal with the branched coverings? Perhaps but, if so, it would not be a big generalization. Indeed,   the  "branched coverings", which are very important in topology, although they do not correspond directly to any Galois theory in your sense, they do through a biequivalence. Indeed for a topos E (say), there is  a biequivalence of the 2-categories of branched coverings of E branching over an object Y (the latter thought of as the complement of a knot K)  on  the one hand, and that of all locally constant coverings of the slice topos E/Y on the other (Bunge-Niefield 2000, Funk 2000, Bunge-Lack 2003).  Now, C(E/Y) is in turn viewed as the knot groupoid G(K) of K. So, branched coverings branching over a knot is not an instance of coverings in your sense as they are not locally constant,  yet there is a Galois theory  associated with them, however, only through a non-trivial equivalence.  A strange but not unmanageable situation. 
With best regards,
>
Marta

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      parent reply	other threads:[~2010-10-25 19:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-23 10:07 The omega-functor omega-category David Leduc
2010-09-24 15:13 ` Urs Schreiber
2010-09-25  1:40   ` Ross Street
     [not found] ` <BF755983-D6D4-469B-9206-C6B275699C3F@mq.edu.au>
2010-09-25 11:22   ` Urs Schreiber
2010-09-26  2:00     ` David Leduc
     [not found] ` <1216D94C-81A2-49A7-95B3-7543B315A54B@mq.edu.au>
2010-09-26  5:00   ` David Leduc
     [not found] ` <E1P0Oe6-0005AL-SX@mlist.mta.ca>
2010-09-28  1:11   ` David Leduc
2010-09-29  1:09     ` John Baez
2010-09-30  0:29       ` David Leduc
     [not found] ` <AANLkTi=LXzu13GU8ZmB=+-qGTQmV3S-bDp6h+dJJ1xNJ@mail.gmail.com>
2010-09-30  3:10   ` John Baez
2010-10-01 14:22     ` Steve Vickers
2010-10-02 22:03       ` Michael Shulman
2010-10-03 13:32         ` Colin McLarty
2010-10-04  7:52         ` Vaughan Pratt
2010-10-04 18:41           ` Michael Shulman
2010-10-05 15:42             ` property_vs_structure Eduardo J. Dubuc
2010-10-06 12:34               ` errata Eduardo J. Dubuc
     [not found] ` <AANLkTin3LqPLuMFD-xSEuRK9TqBUbHrRRxrdcOEykJJo@mail.gmail.com>
2010-10-03 22:11   ` The omega-functor omega-category Michael Shulman
     [not found] ` <20101007010252.EA0FDCF26@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-07 23:46   ` errata Marta Bunge
     [not found]   ` <SNT101-W63B3FACD04EBDB79A3E389DF6F0@phx.gbl>
2010-10-08  0:40     ` property_vs_structure Eduardo J. Dubuc
     [not found] ` <20101008004112.BE2B38572@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-08 19:19   ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
     [not found]   ` <SNT101-W2444EC2F259963200F4CEEDF500@phx.gbl>
2010-10-08 21:53     ` property_vs_structure Eduardo J. Dubuc
     [not found]     ` <20101008215343.9920DABC2@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>
     [not found]       ` <SNT101-W455AA430BC53CBFDB8DCE3DF510@phx.gbl>
2010-10-09 14:12         ` FW: property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
2010-10-09 21:07         ` property_vs_structure Eduardo J. Dubuc
2010-10-11 13:03           ` property_vs_structure George Janelidze
     [not found] ` <20101009210755.68229A98F@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-09 22:26   ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
     [not found] ` <20101011201507.3A7732E52@mailscan3.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-18 21:04   ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
2010-10-21  0:14     ` property_vs_structure George Janelidze
2010-10-21 17:51 ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
     [not found] ` <20101021002656.76CCDD13F@mailscan3.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-24 21:15   ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
2010-10-25 11:15     ` property_vs_structure George Janelidze
     [not found] ` <20101025111544.E773E63DD@mailscan3.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-25 14:26   ` property_vs_structure Marta Bunge
     [not found] ` <20101025012021.684BB8F88@mailscan2.ncs.mcgill.ca>
2010-10-25 19:30   ` Marta Bunge [this message]

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