From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.science.mathematics.categories/6860 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jocelyn Ireson-Paine Newsgroups: gmane.science.mathematics.categories Subject: Re: science_publishers Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 20:46:14 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Jocelyn Ireson-Paine NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1315092775 8187 80.91.229.12 (3 Sep 2011 23:32:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 23:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Categories To: Vaughan Pratt Original-X-From: majordomo@mlist.mta.ca Sun Sep 04 01:32:48 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: gsmc-categories@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from smtpy.mta.ca ([138.73.1.128]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qzzhf-00033x-Bn for gsmc-categories@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2011 01:32:47 +0200 Original-Received: from mlist.mta.ca ([138.73.1.63]:56227) by smtpy.mta.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Qzzc9-0004Nt-MV; Sat, 03 Sep 2011 20:27:05 -0300 Original-Received: from majordomo by mlist.mta.ca with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qzzc8-000476-VK for categories-list@mlist.mta.ca; Sat, 03 Sep 2011 20:27:04 -0300 In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.science.mathematics.categories:6860 Archived-At: On Thu, 1 Sep 2011, Vaughan Pratt wrote: > The solution of authors voting with their feet is a very long-term one > which does not address what's already in the literature but currently > behind a paywall. > > ... > > This issue has a particularly large impact on the current hot-button > topic of global warming, where there are a lot of technically minded > people without access to the relevant technical journals being cited on > blogs by people on either side of the debate who do have access. > Many of you will have noticed that a widespread feeling, particularly > strong in the US and Australia, has been developing lately that there's > a conspiracy between governments and scientists to tamper with the free > market economy by inappropriately steering funding towards alternative > energy proponents and providers. Locking influential articles behind a > paywall has the unfortunate side effect of amplifying this feeling. > > For that and other hot-button topics (vaccination and autism, aluminium > and Alzheimer's, safety of nanotechnology, etc.), a more immediate and > reliable solution would be welcome, in addition to the solution of > voting with your feet. > Here's my suggestion, inspired by the music-sharing software Napster. Set up a Web site to which one can upload images of journal pages. Equip it with optical character-recognition software that in these images, can identify titles, authors' names, and other bibliographic information, and that can recognise whether an article is complete or not. Add a program that can assemble complete articles from partial page sets uploaded by different people. Call it the "Journal Colimit Construction" site. Advertise it to fervent believers in open access who are prepared to do something practical to support their belief: the something practical being to scan and upload an agreed-on number of pages per week from whatever journals they can find in their libraries. It might be a good idea to host the site in a country that doesn't recognise world copyright conventions. > The problem is not merely academic, it's also a serious social problem. > I completely agree. By the way, the problem once hit my teaching. I used to teach Artificial Intelligence at Oxford, in the department of Experimental Psychology. I lectured, ran tutorials, and gave practicals: but was brought in as a part-timer rather than being employed as a full-time lecturer. (There wasn't enough AI in the course to warrant full-time employment.) This mattered, because the department had subscriptions to various academic bibliographic databases. Like the journals, these were horribly expensive - except that the department had a free site licence. But _this was only available to full-timers_. So I was in the odd position of teaching, but having my adminstrator deny me materials that other staff members were allowed to use. > Vaughan Pratt > Jocelyn Ireson-Paine http://www.j-paine.org Jocelyn's Cartoons: http://www.j-paine.org/blog/jocelyns_cartoons/ [For admin and other information see: http://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/ ]