From: Marco Grandis <grandis@dima.unige.it>
To: categories@mta.ca,
Subject: Simplicial versus (cubical with connections)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:12:17 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1R3d0e-0007z2-F1@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1R3HCt-0003mU-6g@mlist.mta.ca>
Dear categorists,
I would like to comment on Ronnie Brown's message, copied below,
insisting on a parallelism that is not often acknowledged, and may
'clarify'
- for instance - why simplicial groups somehow behave as
'cubical groups with connections' (see Tonks' paper cited by RB),
rather than as 'ordinary cubical groups'.
The degeneracies of a simplicial object correspond to the
connections
(or higher degeneracies) of a cubical one, introduced by Brown
and Higgins,
more than to the ordinary degeneracies.
Formally, this fact can be motivated as follows.
Let us start from the cylinder endofunctor I(X) = X x [0, 1] of
topological spaces.
Its main structure consists of natural transformations of powers of
I, derived from
(part of) the lattice structure of [0, 1]:
- two faces 1 --> I, sending x to (x, 0) OR (x, 1),
- a degeneracy I --> 1, sending (x, t) to x,
- two connections I^2 --> I, sending (x, t, t') to (x, max(t,
t')) OR (x, min(t, t')).
Then we collapse the higher face of I (for instance), and we get a
cone functor C, with
a monad structure:
- the lower face of I gives the unit 1 --> C,
- the lower connection gives the multiplication C^2 --> C,
- the other transformations (including the degeneracy of I) induce
nothing.
Now the cylinder I, with the above structure (which i [myself, not
the cylinder] call a 'diad'),
operating on any space, gives a cocubical object with connections,
while the monad C gives an augmented cosimplicial object.
[[ Addendum.
If one wants to take on the parallelism to the singular cubical/
simplicial set of a space X,
the construction becomes more involved. One should start from:
- the cocubical space I* (with connections) of all standard cubes,
produced by the cylinder I
on the singleton space;
- the augmented cosimplicial space Delta* produced by C on the empty
space 0
(taking care that C(0), defined as a pushout, is the singleton,
and C^n(0) is the
standard simplex of dimension n-1).
Then one applies to these structures the contravariant functor Top(-,
X) and gets the
singular cubical set of X (with connections) OR the singular
simplicial set of X (augmented).
]]
With best regards
Marco Grandis
On 12 Sep 2011, at 11:35, Ronnie Brown wrote:
> The reference is included in this review *MR1173825 *of the cubical
> case.
>
> Tonks, A. P. <http://0-ams.mpim-bonn.mpg.de.unicat.bangor.ac.uk/
> mathscinet/search/publications.html?pg1=IID&s1=325533>(4-NWAL)
> <http://0-ams.mpim-bonn.mpg.de.unicat.bangor.ac.uk/mathscinet//
> search/institution.html?code=4_NWAL>
> Cubical groups which are Kan.
> /J. Pure Appl. Algebra/ <http://0-ams.mpim-
> bonn.mpg.de.unicat.bangor.ac.uk/mathscinet/search/journaldoc.html?
> cn=J_Pure_Appl_Algebra> 81 <http://0-ams.mpim-
> bonn.mpg.de.unicat.bangor.ac.uk/mathscinet/search/publications.html?
> pg1=ISSI&s1=118323>(1992), <http://0-ams.mpim-
> bonn.mpg.de.unicat.bangor.ac.uk/mathscinet/search/publications.html?
> pg1=ISSI&s1=118323>no. 1, <http://0-ams.mpim-
> bonn.mpg.de.unicat.bangor.ac.uk/mathscinet/search/publications.html?
> pg1=ISSI&s1=118323> 83–87. <http://0-ams.mpim-
> bonn.mpg.de.unicat.bangor.ac.uk/mathscinet/search/mscdoc.html?
> code=55U10,%2818D35,18G30%29><javascript:openWin('http://
> unicat.bangor.ac.uk:4550/resserv', 'AMS:MathSciNet', 'atitle=Cubical
> %20groups%20which%20are%
> 20Kan&aufirst=A.&auinit=AP&auinit1=A&auinitm=P&aulast=Tonks&coden=JPAA
> A2&date=1992&epage=87&genre=article&issn=0022-4049&issue=1&pages=83-87
> &spage=83&stitle=J.%20Pure%20Appl.%20Algebra&title=Journal%20of%
> 20Pure%20and%20Applied%20Algebra&volume=81')>
>
> The author shows that group objects in the category of cubical sets
> with connections [R. Brown and P. J. Higgins, J. Pure Appl. Algebra
> 21 (1981), no. 3, 233--260; MR0617135 (82m:55015a) <http://0-
> ams.mpim-bonn.mpg.de.unicat.bangor.ac.uk/mathscinet/search/
> publdoc.html?r=1&pg1=CNO&s1=617135&loc=fromrevtext>] satisfy the
> Kan extension condition. This is a very nice correspondence with
> the simplicial case [J. C. Moore, in Séminaire Henri Cartan de
> l'Ecole Normale Supérieure, 1954/1955, Exp. No. 18, Secrétariat
> Math., Paris, 1955; see MR0087934 (19,438e) <http://0-ams.mpim-
> bonn.mpg.de.unicat.bangor.ac.uk/mathscinet/search/publdoc.html?
> r=1&pg1=CNO&s1=87934&loc=fromrevtext>].
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-09-13 15:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-09-12 0:30 Simplicial groups are Kan Michael Barr
2011-09-12 2:29 ` Peter May
2011-09-13 14:22 ` William Messing
2011-09-12 5:10 ` Fernando Muro
2011-09-12 6:07 ` rlk
2011-09-12 6:55 ` Urs Schreiber
2011-09-12 8:49 ` Tim Porter
2011-09-12 9:35 ` Ronnie Brown
2011-09-13 15:12 ` Marco Grandis [this message]
[not found] ` <BDF51495-03DB-4725-8372-094AD1608A11@dima.unige.it>
2011-09-13 16:58 ` Simplicial versus (cubical with connections) Ronnie Brown
2011-09-14 7:08 ` Jonathan CHICHE 齊正航
2011-09-12 13:00 ` Simplicial groups are Kan Tierney, Myles
[not found] <33D5C4F9-416F-47E2-9CB3-C0109F977475@gmail.com>
2011-09-14 10:04 ` Simplicial versus (cubical with connections) Ronnie Brown
[not found] ` <E1R4GgT-0007ej-Hq@mlist.mta.ca>
2011-09-15 19:06 ` Urs Schreiber
2011-09-16 13:24 ` Fernando Muro
2011-10-18 13:27 ` Urs Schreiber
2011-10-19 8:35 ` Marco Grandis
2011-10-19 17:09 ` Vaughan Pratt
2011-10-20 10:39 ` Ronnie Brown
[not found] <E1RGrPh-0003WW-KS@mlist.mta.ca>
2011-10-20 22:08 ` Ross Street
2011-10-22 13:07 Todd Trimble
2011-10-26 21:27 ` F. William Lawvere
2011-10-29 1:08 Simplicial versus (cubical) " F William Lawvere
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