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From: Michael Barr <barr@math.mcgill.ca>
To: Vaughan Pratt <pratt@cs.stanford.edu>
Cc: Categories list <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Empty algebras
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:40:14 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1RGvAd-0006iU-00@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)

I just wanted to comment on the "empty algebra" business.  Every person
conversant in CT ought to know this.

I had never heard the "clean-shaven gods" argument, but another
substantive reason logicians give for avoiding empty models is that it
messes up ultraproducts.  Specifically, an ultraproduct will be empty if
even one factor is.  This can be totally avoided by using a better
definition of ultraproduct.  Simply define as the (directed) colimit,
taken over all the sets in the ultrafilter, of all the large products.
Now the ultraproduct will be empty iff the set of empty factors is large.

Incidentally, I like the idea of the -1 cell.  It means that the Euler
characteristic of any simplex (and any contractible space) is 0, which is
the number of holes.  But it also makes the whole detour into "reduced
homology" unnecessary.

Michael


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             reply	other threads:[~2011-10-20 12:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-20 12:40 Michael Barr [this message]
2011-10-21 14:23 ` Steve Vickers
     [not found] ` <4EA1807A.1060802@cs.bham.ac.uk>
2011-10-21 22:06   ` Vaughan Pratt
2011-10-22 13:03     ` Steve Vickers
2011-10-23 18:04       ` Vaughan Pratt
2011-10-23 21:11       ` Dusko Pavlovic
     [not found]       ` <CE271049-EF59-4E64-AAEA-C1A673FEA224@kestrel.edu>
2011-10-24  7:20         ` Vaughan Pratt
2011-10-24  9:53         ` Steve Vickers
     [not found]         ` <5E279F28-70B7-4393-A564-B95E3768C561@cs.bham.ac.uk>
2011-10-24 12:35           ` Dusko Pavlovic
     [not found]           ` <36141083-FB05-4179-8C98-81D5D6EBB6B1@kestrel.edu>
2011-10-24 13:57             ` Steve Vickers
2011-10-25 14:38               ` Michael Barr
     [not found]               ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1110251036240.25129@msr03.math.mcgill.ca>
2011-10-25 16:09                 ` Steve Vickers
2011-10-25 18:02               ` Vaughan Pratt
2011-10-26 10:11                 ` Steve Vickers
2011-10-27 10:08                   ` Vaughan Pratt
2011-10-30 16:44                     ` Steve Vickers
2011-10-26 10:46                 ` Andrej Bauer
2011-10-26 11:31                 ` Paul Levy
     [not found]             ` <BDB34A2E-CCD4-4F41-AE9E-B865F2DF4872@cs.bham.ac.uk>
2011-10-24 16:47               ` Dusko Pavlovic
2011-10-22 22:36     ` Dusko Pavlovic

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