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From: Steve Vickers <s.j.vickers@cs.bham.ac.uk>
To: Vaughan Pratt <pratt@cs.stanford.edu>
Cc: Categories list <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: Empty algebras
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:11:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1RJ3K6-0005wZ-KV@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1RIqRm-0003Nt-9e@mlist.mta.ca>

Dear Vaughan -

Vaughan Pratt wrote:
> The rationale I gave on Monday for sticking to the standard
> axiomatization of first order logic, which proves Dusko's formula,
> Steve's objection to it notwithstanding, was as follows.
>
>> But it is just as reasonable to say there are variables even when they
>> don't occur free in the formula, e.g. when they occur bound, and the
>> opposite result then obtains.  The wffs of propositional calculus, L_0,
>> don't even contain bound variables.  Since this convention seems to
>> create fewer problems I'm inclined to prefer it.

To count the bound variables in the context is a crudeness that loses
information. For example, it implies there are problem with (all) a.
TRUE(a) and (exists) a. FALSE(a). Both are in fact theorems in the empty
context.

>
> "Seems to create fewer problems" being the sort of sentence any
> Wikipedia editor would these days tag as "weasel words", I should be
> more explicit about the sorts of problems it can create.
>
> If I've understood Steve's reasoning, he accepts
>
> TRUE(a) --> (exists) x. TRUE(x)
>
> as a theorem of FOL that holds even in the empty universe, on the ground
> that it is "vacuously true" (where I would have said vacuously valid).
>
> The same reasoning would also appear to justify
>
> TRUE(a)
>
> as a theorem of FOL.  (Note that both formulas are standard FOL
> theorems, with both holding in every nonempty universe.)
>
> But by Modus Ponens, which I can't imagine Steve rejecting, we obtain
>
> (exists) x. TRUE(x)
>
> which Steve has judged as false.
>
> Since falsehood is the criterion by which Steve has been judging
> theoremhood, unless I've misinterpreted Steve it seems to me that his
> approach to handling the empty universe is unsound.

To avoid any misunderstanding, it's not my approach to handling the
empty universe - it has been around for a long time, I believe it
originated with Mostowski, and it is present well in the Elephant D.

It relies on conducting each logical deductions within a specified
context that describes which free variables are available for use. A
theorem phi proved in context (a1, ..., an) is implicitly

   (all) a1...an. phi

To put it another way, when you quantify out to get a theorem in the
empty context, that is what it is.

The theorems

   TRUE(a)
   TRUE(a) --> (exists) x. TRUE(x)

can only be in a context that has at least a, and applying modus ponens
leaves us with

   (exists) x. TRUE(x)

as a theorem _in that same context_. It is wrong to say (exists) x.
TRUE(x) is a theorem without specifying the context. In the empty
context it becomes the theorem

   (all) a. (exists) x. TRUE(x)

All the best,

Steve.


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  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-26 10:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-20 12:40 Michael Barr
2011-10-21 14:23 ` Steve Vickers
     [not found] ` <4EA1807A.1060802@cs.bham.ac.uk>
2011-10-21 22:06   ` Vaughan Pratt
2011-10-22 13:03     ` Steve Vickers
2011-10-23 18:04       ` Vaughan Pratt
2011-10-23 21:11       ` Dusko Pavlovic
     [not found]       ` <CE271049-EF59-4E64-AAEA-C1A673FEA224@kestrel.edu>
2011-10-24  7:20         ` Vaughan Pratt
2011-10-24  9:53         ` Steve Vickers
     [not found]         ` <5E279F28-70B7-4393-A564-B95E3768C561@cs.bham.ac.uk>
2011-10-24 12:35           ` Dusko Pavlovic
     [not found]           ` <36141083-FB05-4179-8C98-81D5D6EBB6B1@kestrel.edu>
2011-10-24 13:57             ` Steve Vickers
2011-10-25 14:38               ` Michael Barr
     [not found]               ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1110251036240.25129@msr03.math.mcgill.ca>
2011-10-25 16:09                 ` Steve Vickers
2011-10-25 18:02               ` Vaughan Pratt
2011-10-26 10:11                 ` Steve Vickers [this message]
2011-10-27 10:08                   ` Vaughan Pratt
2011-10-30 16:44                     ` Steve Vickers
2011-10-26 10:46                 ` Andrej Bauer
2011-10-26 11:31                 ` Paul Levy
     [not found]             ` <BDB34A2E-CCD4-4F41-AE9E-B865F2DF4872@cs.bham.ac.uk>
2011-10-24 16:47               ` Dusko Pavlovic
2011-10-22 22:36     ` Dusko Pavlovic

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