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From: Paul Levy <P.B.Levy@cs.bham.ac.uk>
To: categories list <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: Empty algebras
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:31:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1RJ3MS-0005yw-Fo@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1RIqRm-0003Nt-9e@mlist.mta.ca>


On 25 Oct 2011, at 19:02, Vaughan Pratt wrote:

> The rationale I gave on Monday for sticking to the standard
> axiomatization of first order logic, which proves Dusko's formula,
> Steve's objection to it notwithstanding, was as follows.
>
>> But it is just as reasonable to say there are variables even when
>> they
>> don't occur free in the formula, e.g. when they occur bound, and the
>> opposite result then obtains.  The wffs of propositional calculus,
>> L_0,
>> don't even contain bound variables.  Since this convention seems to
>> create fewer problems I'm inclined to prefer it.
>
> "Seems to create fewer problems" being the sort of sentence any
> Wikipedia editor would these days tag as "weasel words", I should be
> more explicit about the sorts of problems it can create.
>
> If I've understood Steve's reasoning, he accepts
>
> TRUE(a) --> (exists) x. TRUE(x)
>
> as a theorem of FOL that holds even in the empty universe, on the
> ground
> that it is "vacuously true" (where I would have said vacuously valid).

I think a source of confusion in this debate is the idea that there is
a single FOL.

Surely we should speak of FOL(Sigma), where Sigma is a signature i.e.
a collection of function symbols and predicate symbols, each with an
arity.

If P is a unary predicate in Sigma, then

(for all x. P(x)) => (exists x. P(x))

is a theorem of FOL(Sigma) iff Sigma contains at least one constant
(nullary function symbol).

That is for single-sorted predicate logic.  More generally, given a
set S of "sorts", we can take Sigma to be an S-sorted signature
(meaning that each function symbol has a sort, and each position
within each arity has a sort).   If P is a predicate in Sigma with one
argument of sort A, then

(for all x:A. P(x)) => (exists x:A. P(x))

is a theorem of FOL(Sigma) iff there is at least one closed term of
sort A built from the function symbols of Sigma.  For example, if
Sigma contains a constant of sort A.

I think the multi-sorted setting makes the whole issue clearer,
because it's perfectly natural and indeed useful to have a variety of
sorts of which some are empty and some are not.

regards,
Paul


>
> The same reasoning would also appear to justify
>
> TRUE(a)
>
> as a theorem of FOL.  (Note that both formulas are standard FOL
> theorems, with both holding in every nonempty universe.)
>
> But by Modus Ponens, which I can't imagine Steve rejecting, we obtain
>
> (exists) x. TRUE(x)
>
> which Steve has judged as false.
>
> Since falsehood is the criterion by which Steve has been judging
> theoremhood, unless I've misinterpreted Steve it seems to me that his
> approach to handling the empty universe is unsound.
>
> For ease of reference I've put online my proof that cylindric algebra
> semantics handles all this in stride by making the pertinent Boolean
> algebra the one-element inconsistent one whenever Steve and Dusko
> disagree on this point.  Currently it's at
> http://boole.stanford.edu/Empty/ but I'm open to suggestions for a
> suitable more permanent resting place.
>
> Vaughan

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-10-26 11:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-20 12:40 Michael Barr
2011-10-21 14:23 ` Steve Vickers
     [not found] ` <4EA1807A.1060802@cs.bham.ac.uk>
2011-10-21 22:06   ` Vaughan Pratt
2011-10-22 13:03     ` Steve Vickers
2011-10-23 18:04       ` Vaughan Pratt
2011-10-23 21:11       ` Dusko Pavlovic
     [not found]       ` <CE271049-EF59-4E64-AAEA-C1A673FEA224@kestrel.edu>
2011-10-24  7:20         ` Vaughan Pratt
2011-10-24  9:53         ` Steve Vickers
     [not found]         ` <5E279F28-70B7-4393-A564-B95E3768C561@cs.bham.ac.uk>
2011-10-24 12:35           ` Dusko Pavlovic
     [not found]           ` <36141083-FB05-4179-8C98-81D5D6EBB6B1@kestrel.edu>
2011-10-24 13:57             ` Steve Vickers
2011-10-25 14:38               ` Michael Barr
     [not found]               ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1110251036240.25129@msr03.math.mcgill.ca>
2011-10-25 16:09                 ` Steve Vickers
2011-10-25 18:02               ` Vaughan Pratt
2011-10-26 10:11                 ` Steve Vickers
2011-10-27 10:08                   ` Vaughan Pratt
2011-10-30 16:44                     ` Steve Vickers
2011-10-26 10:46                 ` Andrej Bauer
2011-10-26 11:31                 ` Paul Levy [this message]
     [not found]             ` <BDB34A2E-CCD4-4F41-AE9E-B865F2DF4872@cs.bham.ac.uk>
2011-10-24 16:47               ` Dusko Pavlovic
2011-10-22 22:36     ` Dusko Pavlovic

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