From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.science.mathematics.categories/7179 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Seely Newsgroups: gmane.science.mathematics.categories Subject: Re: Gowers petition against Elsevier Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 15:32:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Robert Seely NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1327949297 31818 80.91.229.3 (30 Jan 2012 18:48:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:48:17 +0000 (UTC) To: Categories List Original-X-From: majordomo@mlist.mta.ca Mon Jan 30 19:48:14 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gsmc-categories@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from smtpx.mta.ca ([138.73.1.4]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RrwGv-0007Ix-G9 for gsmc-categories@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:48:09 +0100 Original-Received: from mlist.mta.ca ([138.73.1.63]:40133) by smtpx.mta.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1RrwG4-0003br-KF; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:47:16 -0400 Original-Received: from majordomo by mlist.mta.ca with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RrwG4-0006Av-9b for categories-list@mlist.mta.ca; Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:47:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.science.mathematics.categories:7179 Archived-At: > [ Note from moderator: While interesting, this thread is off-topic and > list policy does not allow for discussion. Posts sent after tomorrow will > not be forwarded. Thanks. ] Indeed - for the most part, discussion on this list does seem to be preaching to the choir. Thanks in large part to the efforts of the moderator of this list (and others), the categorical community is well placed online - TAC, this list, arXive, nLab, and many many homepages. It's rare (in my experience, at least) to look for a paper one wants, and not to find it online. SO: to all those out there who are in a position of some influence, your task, should you choose to accept it, is to "move" deans (and tenure committees, hiring committees, promotion committees, etc) to accept on-line journal publications, to encourage other "independant" journals (such as those published by professional associations) to flourish, to establish new quality journals (sponsored by universities, eg), to decouple the notions of "impact" (as measured by indices) and "excellence", and whatever other measures that might dislodge the seeming monopoly of the big 2 (3?) publishers. Everyone would benefit (except those publishers), so the trick is to convince others, beyond this small community, of that. We've had this discussion many times before - it'd be nice if the next time we do, things have measurably improved ... -= rags =- -- [For admin and other information see: http://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/ ]