From: Ronnie Brown <ronnie.profbrown@btinternet.com>
To: Michael Barr <barr@math.mcgill.ca>
Cc: Categories list <categories@mta.ca>,
Bob Raphael <raphael@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: Re: Two questions
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:07:27 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1ShqKh-0001QO-DF@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1ShkbY-000143-KJ@mlist.mta.ca>
With regard to the second question, the problem seems to be for epic. I
found the solution somewhere and put it as exercise 8 of section 6.1 of
my Topology and Groupoids book (all editions). Here is the outline
argument (I have not checked it lately!):
Prove that in the category $\grp$ of groups, a morphism $f : G \to
H$ is monic if and only if it is injective; less trivially, $f$ is
epic if and only if $f$ is surjective. [Suppose $f$ is not
surjective and let $K = \Im f$. If the set of cosets $H/K$ has
two elements, then $K$ is normal in $H$ and it is easy to prove
$f$ is not epic. Otherwise there is a permutation $\gamma$ of $H/K$
whose only fixed point is $K$. Let $\pi : H \to H/K$ be the
projection and choose a function $\theta : H/K \to H$ such that
$\pi \theta = 1$. Let $\tau : H \to K$ be such that $x = (\tau
x)(\theta\pi x)$ for all $x$ in $H$ and define $\lambda : H \to H$
by $x \mapsto (\tau x) (\theta\gamma\pi x)$. The morphisms
$\alpha, \beta$ of $H$ into the group $P$ of all permutations of
$H$, defined by $\alpha(h)(x) = hx$, $\beta(h) =
\lambda^{-1}\alpha(h)\lambda$ satisfy $\alpha h = \beta h$ if and
only if $h \in K$. Hence $\alpha f = \beta f$].
Ronnie
On 21/06/2012 14:34, Michael Barr wrote:
> Googling around, I have come on several claims that there are no
> non-trivial injectives in the category of groups (e.g., Mac Lane in the
> 1950 Duality for groups paper credits Baer with an elegant proof, but
> gives no hint of what it might be and Baer's earlier paper on injectives
> doesn't mention it). I have not come on any proof of this, however.
>
> Somewhere I have seen a proof that all monics in the category of groups
> are regular. I think it was in a paper by Eilenberg and ??? and it
> needed
> a special argument if there were elements of order 2. Can someone
> help me
> find this?
>
> Michael
>
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Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-06-21 13:34 Michael Barr
2012-06-21 17:07 ` Ronnie Brown [this message]
2012-06-21 23:32 ` George Janelidze
[not found] ` <E1ShqME-0001Sf-JM@mlist.mta.ca>
2012-06-22 0:25 ` Peter LeFanu Lumsdaine
2012-06-22 7:19 ` regular monos of groups Paul Taylor
2012-07-15 21:27 ` Andrej Bauer
2012-06-23 3:09 Two questions Fred E.J. Linton
2012-06-23 15:40 ` Two_questions Joyal, André
2012-06-24 16:37 Two_questions Fred E.J. Linton
2012-06-25 1:34 Two_questions Fred E.J. Linton
[not found] <485qFyBhu8160S03.1340588060@web03.cms.usa.net>
2012-06-25 3:00 ` Two questions Joyal, André
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