From: Jeff Egger <jeffegger@yahoo.ca>
To: Categories <categories@mta.ca>, Emily Riehl <eriehl@math.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: subgroupoids of V-categories
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 07:53:32 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1VjVP2-00075Y-OW@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1Vir4i-0005Cv-JA@mlist.mta.ca>
Hi Emily,
I'm a bit worried about the notion of "local monomorphism".
If V is, say, a poset, then every arrow in it is (tautologously)
monic, and therefore every V-functor is a local monomorphism.
Let us consider, for instance, generalised metric spaces.
Suppose C has two vertices, p and q, with C(p,q)=0 and
C(q,p)=oo (infinity). Then, for any e>0, we can choose G_e
with G_e(p,q)=e and G(q,p)=oo, and the identity-on-objects
functor G_e --> C has the property you desire.
[I'm sure you realise that the definition of "isomorphism"
you gave is equivalent to that of "isomorphism in the
underlying category"; the underlying category of C is "the
arrow", whereas that of G_e is discrete.]
So "the maximal subgroupoid" of C is not defined uniquely,
except up to "equivalence of underlying category". Moreover,
whenever e>d>0, the i-o-o functor G_e --> C factors through
G_d, so there is not even an "optimal" choice of e.
More precisely, if one were to define a V-groupoid to be a
V-category whose underlying category is a groupoid (which
is, implicitly, what you seem to be doing), then I've just
shown that the forgetful functor from [0,oo]-groupoids to
[0,oo]-categories does not have a right adjoint.
Of course, I think it would be better to define a V-groupoid
in a more Hopf-y kind of way---e.g., in terms of what one
might call a co-Maltsev operation---but that might not suit
your purposes, and would seem to make things much
more difficult, at least in general.
Cheers,
Jeff.
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On Tue, 11/19/13, Emily Riehl <eriehl@math.harvard.edu> wrote:
Subject: categories: subgroupoids of V-categories
To: "Categories" <categories@mta.ca>
Received: Tuesday, November 19, 2013, 1:51 PM
Hi all,
For general V (closed symmetric monoidal, bicomplete), is
there a general
way to construct the maximal subgroupoid of a V-category C?
I think I know how to *detect* the maximal subgroupoid. A
map in C is an
isomorphism iff it is representably so: Writing 1 for the
monoidal unit,
we say f : 1 -> C(x,y) is an iso iff the induced map f_*
: C(z,x) ->
C(z,y) is an iso in V for all z. So we might say that a
V-category G with
the same objects and C and an identity-on-objects local
monomorphism G ->
C is the maximal subgroupoid provided that a morphism f
factors through
G(x,y) -> C(x,y) just when f is an isomorphism.
In examples, this is probably good enough, but I still would
feel better
if I had a general construction of the maximal subgroupoid.
I feel like
this should be some sort of weighted limit, perhaps with
some additional
structure on V?
Thanks,
Emily
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Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-11-19 18:51 Emily Riehl
2013-11-19 21:24 ` Zhen Lin Low
2013-11-20 11:18 ` Ronnie Brown
2013-11-20 15:53 ` Jeff Egger [this message]
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