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From: "Prof. Peter Johnstone" <P.T.Johnstone@dpmms.cam.ac.uk>
To: Uwe.Wolter@ii.uib.no
Cc: categories@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Limits and colimits in Rel?
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 11:56:39 +0000 (GMT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1WIoeV-0000oD-VY@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1WIIRo-0005mf-E9@mlist.mta.ca>

Rel does have products and coproducts; they coincide (by self-duality)
and are just disjoint unions of sets. If's not hard to see that
a relation R \subseteq A \times B is a monomorphism A \to B iff the
map PA \to PB sending a subset of A to the set of all R-relatives
of its members is injective; dually for epimorphisms. Rel has very few
(co)limits other than (co)products; it doesn't even have splittings of
all idempotents. (All symmetric idempotents have splittings, but the
order-relation \leq \subseteq {0,1} \times {0,1} can't be split.)

However, I don't think that the self-duality is in any sense
responsible for the lack of (co)limits in Rel. The category of
complete join-semilattices is self-dual, and is complete and cocomplete.

Peter Johnstone

On Mon, 24 Feb 2014, Uwe.Wolter@ii.uib.no wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I remember that there was some time ago a discussion on this list
> about limits and colimits in the category Rel of binary relations.
> Unfortunately, I can not remember or trace the final answer. But, if I
> remember right there are, besides initial and terminal objects, in
> general no limits or colimits in Rel.
>
> So my questions are:
>
> 1. Is there a characterization of monomorphisms and epimorphisms in Rel?
> 2. Is it true that there are, in general, no products and equalizer
> (sums and coequalizer) in Rel?
> 3. Are there some general results about what limits/colimits exist or
> don't exist?
> 4. Is the presumable non-existence related to the fact that the
> formation of converse relations establishes an isomorphism between Rel
> and its opposite Rel^op?
>
> Any reply or reference is well-come.
>
> Best regards
>
> Uwe Wolter

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-02-26 11:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-24 22:36 Uwe.Wolter
2014-02-26  6:43 ` Fred Linton
2014-02-26 11:56 ` Prof. Peter Johnstone [this message]
2014-02-27  9:56 ` Marco Grandis
2014-02-25 14:41 Koslowski
2014-02-27  1:25 Fred E.J. Linton

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