From: Marco Grandis <grandis@dima.unige.it>
To: Ondrej Rypacek <ondrej.rypacek@gmail.com>, categories@mta.ca
Subject: Re: Limits in REL
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 15:09:49 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1X3JE9-0004Vr-7n@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1X2x7j-00012x-5O@mlist.mta.ca>
There was a similar question "Limits and colimits in Rel?" by UweWolter, on 24 Feb 2014, which had various replies.
I copy my own (with an addition in [[...]]).
Regards MG
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As Peter J. is saying, categories of relations have poor (co)limits. [[ Eg no equalisers nor coequalisers.]]
For abelian groups, Rel(Ab) does not even have products (sums).
However, if you insert the 2-category Rel into the double category RRel of sets, mappings and relations [GP1]
you have a double category with all double limits and colimits.
For instance: the obvious cartesian product a x b: XxY --> X' x Y' (resp. sum a + b: X+Y --> X' + Y') of two relations a, b
is indeed a product (resp. a sum) in the double category.
See [GP1] for definitions and discussion of these aspects.
Similarly, many bicategories of spans, cospans, relations, profunctors... have poor (co)limits, but can be usefully embedded in
weak double categories (with the same objects, "strict morphisms", "same morphisms", suitable double cells) that have all limits
and colimits.
Also adjoints work well in the extended settings: see [GP2].
Best regards
Marco
[GP1] M. Grandis - R. Paré, Limits in double categories, Cah. Topol. Géom. Différ. Catég. 40 (1999), 162-220.
[GP2] M. Grandis - R. Paré, Adjoint for double categories, Cah. Topol. Géom. Différ. Catég. 45 (2004), 193-240.
both downloadable at: http://ehres.pagesperso-orange.fr/Cahiers/Ctgdc.htm
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-07-04 13:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-07-03 10:57 Ondrej Rypacek
2014-07-04 11:55 ` Uday S Reddy
2014-07-04 13:09 ` Marco Grandis [this message]
2014-07-05 12:38 ` Pino Rosolini
2014-07-06 22:43 ` Pawel Sobocinski
2014-07-04 7:45 Peter Johnstone
2014-07-05 7:11 ` René Guitart
2014-07-07 10:03 Ondrej Rypacek
2014-07-25 12:51 ` Ondrej Rypacek
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