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From: Thomas Streicher <streicher@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>
To: Patrik Eklund <peklund@cs.umu.se>
Cc: Categories <categories@mta.ca>, fejlinton@usa.net
Subject: Re: Current Issues in the Philosophy of Practice of Mathematics & Informatics
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:12:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1ZPbmO-0006sG-8M@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1ZOxPu-0007bT-Ki@mlist.mta.ca>

> In logic we typically have signatures, terms, sentences, structured sets
> of sentences, entailment, models, satisfactions, axioms, theories and
> proof calculi. We cannot e.g. define entailment before we have a notion
> of sentences, and we should not define sentences before we have a notion
> of terms. The latter is a bit more controversial. In first-order logic I
> would see P(x), where P is a "predicate symbol", as a term, and not as a
> sentence, whereas putting a quantifier in front of it, Ex.P(x), makes it
> no longer a term. This is why I have difficulties e.g. to accept that
> the two 'not's in expressions like "not Ex.P(x)" and "Ex.not P(x)" would
> be the same. I am starting to think they are only informal as symbols, a
> bit similar as Church said lambda is and informal symbol, so actually
> not part of the formal syntax. Am I wrong or am I wrong?

I don't understand why atomic formulas are terms but not formulas.
Always thought the Lawvere's hyperdoctrines made all this very clear:
terms are in the base and formulas are in the fibres.
In case there is a generic family of propositions  A:Prop |- True(A)
we can turn predicates into terms of type Prop. That's the shift to HOL.

The 2 different negations are just negations in two different fibres.

Thomas


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  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-11  9:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <536THicJV0416S02.1439086221@web02.cms.usa.net>
2015-08-09  9:52 ` Patrik Eklund
2015-08-11  9:12   ` Thomas Streicher [this message]
2015-08-11  9:39   ` Steve Vickers
2015-08-11 12:20   ` Robert Dawson
2015-08-09  2:10 Fred E.J. Linton
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-07-24  9:12 Ralph Matthes
2015-07-25 13:57 ` Graham White
2015-07-26 15:33   ` Patrik Eklund
2015-07-29  1:42     ` Martin Escardo
     [not found]     ` <55B82F7F.60302@cs.bham.ac.uk>
2015-07-29  5:54       ` Patrik Eklund
2015-07-30 14:46         ` Martin Escardo
2015-07-31 10:35         ` Thomas Streicher
2015-07-29 13:56     ` Robert Dawson
2015-07-31  5:10       ` Vaughan Pratt
2015-08-04 15:45         ` Patrik Eklund

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