From: Thomas Streicher <streicher@mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de>
To: Patrik Eklund <peklund@cs.umu.se>
Cc: Categories <categories@mta.ca>, fejlinton@usa.net
Subject: Re: Current Issues in the Philosophy of Practice of Mathematics & Informatics
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:12:10 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1ZPbmO-0006sG-8M@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1ZOxPu-0007bT-Ki@mlist.mta.ca>
> In logic we typically have signatures, terms, sentences, structured sets
> of sentences, entailment, models, satisfactions, axioms, theories and
> proof calculi. We cannot e.g. define entailment before we have a notion
> of sentences, and we should not define sentences before we have a notion
> of terms. The latter is a bit more controversial. In first-order logic I
> would see P(x), where P is a "predicate symbol", as a term, and not as a
> sentence, whereas putting a quantifier in front of it, Ex.P(x), makes it
> no longer a term. This is why I have difficulties e.g. to accept that
> the two 'not's in expressions like "not Ex.P(x)" and "Ex.not P(x)" would
> be the same. I am starting to think they are only informal as symbols, a
> bit similar as Church said lambda is and informal symbol, so actually
> not part of the formal syntax. Am I wrong or am I wrong?
I don't understand why atomic formulas are terms but not formulas.
Always thought the Lawvere's hyperdoctrines made all this very clear:
terms are in the base and formulas are in the fibres.
In case there is a generic family of propositions A:Prop |- True(A)
we can turn predicates into terms of type Prop. That's the shift to HOL.
The 2 different negations are just negations in two different fibres.
Thomas
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2015-08-09 9:52 ` Patrik Eklund
2015-08-11 9:12 ` Thomas Streicher [this message]
2015-08-11 9:39 ` Steve Vickers
2015-08-11 12:20 ` Robert Dawson
2015-08-09 2:10 Fred E.J. Linton
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2015-07-24 9:12 Ralph Matthes
2015-07-25 13:57 ` Graham White
2015-07-26 15:33 ` Patrik Eklund
2015-07-29 1:42 ` Martin Escardo
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2015-07-29 5:54 ` Patrik Eklund
2015-07-30 14:46 ` Martin Escardo
2015-07-31 10:35 ` Thomas Streicher
2015-07-29 13:56 ` Robert Dawson
2015-07-31 5:10 ` Vaughan Pratt
2015-08-04 15:45 ` Patrik Eklund
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