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From: Marta Bunge <martabunge@hotmail.com>
To: "categories@mta.ca" <categories@mta.ca>
Cc: Steve Vickers <s.j.vickers@cs.bham.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Grothendieck toposes
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2016 20:17:00 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1c1I6S-0007PN-UJ@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)

Dear Steve,

When an elementary (base) topos S is specified, I use "S-bounded topos" to mean the pair (E, e), with E an elementary topos and e: E--> S a (bounded) geometric morphism. When S = Set (a model of ZFC) and E an arbitrary elementary topos, then there is a most one geometric morphism e:E---> Set, so in that case the latter need not be specified. I therefore use "E is a Grothendieck topos" to mean  "E is an elementary topos bounded over Sets".  The latter has been shown to be equivalent to what Grothendieck meant by it.

Best regards,
Marta
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From: Steve Vickers <s.j.vickers@cs.bham.ac.uk>
Sent: October 27, 2016 7:07:52 AM
To: Categories
Subject: categories: Grothendieck toposes

For some years now, I have been using the phrase "Grothendieck topos" -
category of sheaves over a site - to allow the site to be in an
arbitrary base elementary topos S (often assumed to have nno). Hence
"Grothendieck topos" means "bounded S-topos". The whole study of
Grothendieck toposes, as of geometric logic, is parametrized by choice of S.

That's presumably not how Grothendieck understood it, and I know some of
his results assumed S = Set, some classical category of sets. Moreover,
the Elephant defines "Grothendieck topos" that way.

On the other hand, if a topos is a generalized space, with a classifying
topos being the space of models of a geometric theory, then that surely
meant Grothendieck topos; and there are various reasons for wanting to
vary S. For example, using Sh(X) as S gives us a generalized topology of
bundles, fibrewise over X.

I'm coming to suspect my usage may confuse.

How do people actually understand the phase "Grothendieck topos"? Do
they hear potential for varying an implicit base S, or do they hear a
firm implication that S is classical?

Steve Vickers.


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             reply	other threads:[~2016-10-30 20:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-30 20:17 Marta Bunge [this message]
2016-11-01 15:16 ` Joyal, André
     [not found]   ` <23129f7a064fe24cddfc1414403dfe85@cs.umu.se>
2016-11-02 11:18     ` Marta Bunge
2016-11-02 15:09       ` Townsend, Christopher
2016-11-03  4:45       ` Eduardo Julio Dubuc
2016-11-03 19:36         ` Joyal, André
     [not found] ` <YQBPR01MB0611FD1B0099E7F4D36C84D9DFA00@YQBPR01MB0611.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
2016-11-02 17:50   ` majordomo
2016-11-02 19:15     ` Marta Bunge
     [not found]     ` <YQBPR01MB0611A198AF9A5F51AD5562E8DFA00@YQBPR01MB0611.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
     [not found]       ` <313cc907380f63841975a95b12cb1856@cs.umu.se>
2016-11-03 10:17         ` Steve Vickers
     [not found] ` <581B0EB3.4030304@cs.bham.ac.uk>
2016-11-03 11:13   ` Patrik Eklund
     [not found] <a98ed351-1df6-4f7d-1977-7d82d5a9900b@cs.bham.ac.uk>
2016-11-09 15:01 ` Thomas Streicher
     [not found] <8641_1478651661_58226F0D_8641_41_1_E1c4Goq-0004eP-Dd@mlist.mta.ca>
2016-11-09  2:35 ` Marta Bunge
2016-11-09 15:53   ` Patrik Eklund
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-11-08 13:32 wlawvere
2016-11-09 10:48 ` Thomas Streicher
2016-11-06 15:41 wlawvere
     [not found] <YQBPR01MB061141EA2F53A36490E14F0ADFA50@YQBPR01MB0611.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
2016-11-05 15:04 ` Joyal, André
2016-11-03 14:03 Townsend, Christopher
     [not found] <YQBPR01MB0611BC0F9930A55EC2DFE2C8DFAF0@YQBPR01MB0611.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
2016-10-31 11:27 ` Steve Vickers
2016-11-01 10:10   ` Clemens.BERGER
2016-11-01 10:30   ` Thomas Streicher
     [not found] ` <30618_1477941855_58179A5F_30618_291_1_E1c1IA3-0007Te-Te@mlist.mta.ca>
2016-10-31 22:40   ` Marta Bunge
     [not found]   ` <YQBPR01MB0611528D9E09F09BEB7C14B8DFAE0@YQBPR01MB0611.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
2016-11-01 15:33     ` Marta Bunge
2016-11-02  0:20       ` Michael Barr
     [not found]     ` <004501d23520$bce007f0$36a017d0$@oliviacaramello.com>
2016-11-02 18:34       ` Marta Bunge
2016-10-28 19:08 David Yetter
2016-10-30  3:06 ` Michael Shulman
2016-10-30 19:39   ` Joyal, André
2016-10-27 11:07 Steve Vickers

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