From: Robert Seely <rags@math.mcgill.ca>
To: Patrik Eklund <peklund@cs.umu.se>
Cc: Categories <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: Theorem or Paradox
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 11:46:47 -0500 (EST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1cQNka-0001QT-T3@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1cQFB5-00073X-Iq@mlist.mta.ca>
It would take a book-length response to adequately reply to your
question - more about that later. But in short here's an answer: a
theorem is the conclusion of a valid argument (i.e. a "proof") based
on certain assumptions ("hypotheses" or "axioms"). And Godel's result
is such a theorem. I won't attempt to define a paradox, but certainly
it seems his theorem might also be regarded (and has been) as a
paradox as well. But a better answer might be found in the book
"Godel's Theorem: an incomplete guide to its use and abuse", by Torkel
Franz\'en - I hugely recommend it, if you haven't already done so.
-= rags =-
PS: Godel's theorem isn't based on the liar paradox - that's Tarski's
theorem - but rather on a closely related paradox about provability -
which isn't really a paradox after all ...
PPS - you don't really think theorems "close development or debate",
now, do you?! Experience suggests otherwise I think.
On Sun, 8 Jan 2017, Patrik Eklund wrote:
> Since the Incompleteness Theorem uses the Liar Paradox, why is it called
> the Incompleteness Theorem and not the Incompleteness Paradox?
>
> A Theorem closes a development or debate, and calls for admiration
> (because the inventor did something supposedly good), whereas a Paradox
> opens up development and debate (since the detector has pointed at
> something being wrong), and delays the call for admiration of the
> disruptively innovative solution until it is really deserved.
>
> Best,
>
> Patrik
>
>
>
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-01-08 16:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-01-08 12:39 Patrik Eklund
2017-01-08 16:46 ` Robert Seely [this message]
2017-01-08 18:18 ` John Baez
2017-01-08 23:30 ` Vaughan Pratt
2017-01-09 8:19 ` Patrik Eklund
2017-01-09 11:50 ` Graham White
2017-01-10 14:11 ` Paul B Levy
2017-01-13 7:22 ` Patrik Eklund
2017-01-16 10:33 ` Steve Vickers
2017-01-09 1:09 ` Noson Yanofsky
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