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From: Gershom B <gershomb@gmail.com>
To: Mike Stay <metaweta@gmail.com>
Cc: Baruch Garcia <baruchgarcia@gmail.com>, categories <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: The use-mention distinction and category theory
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:00:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1dxChq-0001Nj-Ly@mlist.mta.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1dpbiW-0002Vc-7B@mlist.mta.ca>

I would suggest that one approach to the use-mention distinction is
given in topos theory, or more generally in categorical logic, when we
can talk about the "internal logic" of a category, and discuss objects
of categories from both the internal and external standpoints.

A common case of this arises in Mike's message when he discusses the
internal hom. Godel, Halting, etc. all can be seen as statements based
on a particular structure surrounding the internal hom as in [1].

[1] https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/Lawvere%27s+fixed+point+theorem

Cheers,
Gershom

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Mike Stay <metaweta@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Baruch Garcia <baruchgarcia@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I was wondering if someone of the categories list could answer this
>> question:
>>
>> In Godel's/Tarski's theorem and the Halting problem, the use-mention
>> distinction (e.g. Boston is populous, but "Boston" is disyllabic) is
>> essential.  Is there an analog to the use-mention distinction in category
>> theory or is the use-mention distinction just its own principle independent
>> of category theory?
>
> There's something like a distinction between use and mention in a
> symmetric monoidal closed category.  Given a morphism f:X -> Y,
> there's the "name" of the function curry(f):I -> X -o Y, where I is
> the monoidal unit and -o is the internal hom.  The evaluation morphism
> takes a value g of type X -o Y and a value x of type X and returns
> uncurry(g)(x).
>
>
> --
> Mike Stay - metaweta@gmail.com
> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~mike
> http://reperiendi.wordpress.com
>


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  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-26 17:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-03 19:19 Baruch Garcia
2017-09-05  5:46 ` Patrik Eklund
2017-09-05 17:36 ` Mike Stay
2017-09-26 17:00   ` Gershom B [this message]
     [not found]   ` <CAM8RHpFX-L8TWmfef71v_NgH4wvtmrp+3GuQrUK4qCNV8bZ5Ug@mail.gmail.com>
2017-09-26 19:17     ` Baruch Garcia

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