* Mathematics for sentence composition? @ 2018-10-24 14:35 Bob Coecke 2018-10-25 1:07 ` Valeria de Paiva 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: Bob Coecke @ 2018-10-24 14:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: categories Hi all, This is a request for information from those with knowledge of computational linguistics and related things. Sentence structure is a long-established field, most notably with major contributions by Lambek, and concerns how words compose within a sentence. How much ( is known / has been done ) in mathematical terms on composing sentences in order to form stories? Im am working on something, don’t want to re-invent the wheel, and also want to use/credit what has been done before. Cheers, Bob. [For admin and other information see: http://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/ ] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* Re: Mathematics for sentence composition? 2018-10-24 14:35 Mathematics for sentence composition? Bob Coecke @ 2018-10-25 1:07 ` Valeria de Paiva 2018-10-30 12:34 ` Graham White 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: Valeria de Paiva @ 2018-10-25 1:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bob Coecke; +Cc: categories hi Bob, As you'd expect there is a lot of literature into discourse analysis. I'm sure you're already know about DRT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourse_representation_theory but you may not have heard of "segmented discourse representation theory <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmented_discourse_representation_theory>" (SDRT) presented in Asher, Nicholas <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicholas_Asher&action=edit&redlink=1> and Alex Lascarides (2003). *Logics of Conversation <https://books.google.com/books?id=VD-8yisFhBwC>*. Studies in Natural Language Processing. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-65058-5 <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0-521-65058-5> or RST Mann, William C. and Sandra A .Thompson (1988). "Rhetorical Structure Theory <http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~nenkova/Courses/cis700-2/rst.pdf>: A theory of text organization". *Text <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_(journal)>* *8*: 243–281. or LDM (Linguistic Discourse Model) e.g. in https://wing.comp.nus.edu.sg/%7Eantho/W/W04/W04-0211.pdf, from Livia Polanyi, for example. I thought the Tutorial Discourse Structure: Theory, Practice and Use <http://aclweb.org/anthology/P10-5003>( https://aclanthology.info/papers/P10-5003/p10-5003) would be useful, but I couldn't find its contents online. I don't know much about the area, but I know there are lots more. best, Valeria On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 5:25 PM Bob Coecke <bob.coecke@cs.ox.ac.uk> wrote: > Hi all, > > This is a request for information from those with knowledge of > computational linguistics and related things. > > Sentence structure is a long-established field, most notably with major > contributions by Lambek, and concerns how words compose within a sentence. > How much ( is known / has been done ) in mathematical terms on composing > sentences in order to form stories? > > Im am working on something, don’t want to re-invent the wheel, and also > want to use/credit what has been done before. > > Cheers, Bob. [For admin and other information see: http://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/ ] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* Re: Mathematics for sentence composition? 2018-10-25 1:07 ` Valeria de Paiva @ 2018-10-30 12:34 ` Graham White 0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread From: Graham White @ 2018-10-30 12:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Valeria de Paiva; +Cc: bob.coecke, categories Valeria's suggestions look fine. I'd also like to suggest Ruth Kempson's theory of dynamic syntax (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_syntax ), which is a sort of indirect response to Bob's question. One thing that is relevant here is that people very rarely talk in complete sentences, and that, in conversation, people continue each other's partial utterances quite fluidly (this is not trivial, because it involves changing a lot of pronouns and such from one speaker to the next). Now a natural way to formalise this would be to have a context shared between the interlocutors, and to have context updating rules as well as parsing rules in the grammar. So this, too, would be a way of addressing the questions which Bob raised. (Two remarks on this: firstly, talking about context is how I describe this stuff, not how Ruth does. Secondly, using context in this way comes naturally to us theoretical computer scientists, but not so naturally to linguists of the traditional sort.) Graham On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 11:23 AM Valeria de Paiva <valeria.depaiva@gmail.com> wrote: > > hi Bob, > As you'd expect there is a lot of literature into discourse analysis. I'm > sure you're already know about DRT > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourse_representation_theory > but you may not have heard of "segmented discourse representation theory > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segmented_discourse_representation_theory>" > (SDRT) presented in > Asher, Nicholas > <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicholas_Asher&action=edit&redlink=1> > and Alex Lascarides (2003). *Logics of Conversation > <https://books.google.com/books?id=VD-8yisFhBwC>*. Studies in Natural > Language Processing. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-65058-5 > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/0-521-65058-5> > or RST Mann, William C. and Sandra A .Thompson (1988). "Rhetorical > Structure Theory > <http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~nenkova/Courses/cis700-2/rst.pdf>: A theory of > text organization". *Text <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_(journal)>* > *8*: 243–281. > or LDM (Linguistic Discourse Model) e.g. in > https://wing.comp.nus.edu.sg/%7Eantho/W/W04/W04-0211.pdf, from Livia > Polanyi, for example. > I thought the Tutorial Discourse Structure: Theory, Practice and Use > <http://aclweb.org/anthology/P10-5003>( > https://aclanthology.info/papers/P10-5003/p10-5003) would be useful, but I > couldn't find its contents online. > I don't know much about the area, but I know there are lots more. > best, > Valeria > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 5:25 PM Bob Coecke <bob.coecke@cs.ox.ac.uk> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> This is a request for information from those with knowledge of >> computational linguistics and related things. >> >> Sentence structure is a long-established field, most notably with major >> contributions by Lambek, and concerns how words compose within a sentence. >> How much ( is known / has been done ) in mathematical terms on composing >> sentences in order to form stories? >> >> Im am working on something, don’t want to re-invent the wheel, and also >> want to use/credit what has been done before. >> >> Cheers, Bob. > > [For admin and other information see: http://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/ ] -- Graham White London [For admin and other information see: http://www.mta.ca/~cat-dist/ ] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
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