From: JeanBenabou <jean.benabou@wanadoo.fr>
To: Michael Shulman <mshulman@ucsd.edu>, Categories <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: source, sinks, and ?
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 05:30:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <F83F455C-63C3-40CC-9B9E-1C729E5D6194@wanadoo.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1PaINY-0006TD-L0@mlist.mta.ca>
In his mail, Mike Shulman wrote,
> Thanks to everyone who replied. I did intend that the source and
> target be specified, i.e. to consider, for two given families of
> objects { x_i }_{i \in I} and { y_j }_{j \in J} (for which either I or
> J might be empty), a family of morphisms { x_i --> y_j }_{i \in I, j
> \in J}. This reduces to the notion of sink (resp. cone) described by
> Reinhard when J (resp. I) is a singleton
>
> "Matrix" and "array" are both good words, although I agree that the
> non-composability in general makes "matrix" slightly misleading.
1 - In the spirit of the word "array", which I proposed, I suggest
the following names for two special cases.
(i) When I = 1 , instead of "cone", "column"
(ii) When J = 1 , instead of "sink", "row"
This would have the following advantages:
(a) In the case of "matrices", i.e. when the product is defined, it
would fit with the usual matrix terminology.
(b) We wouldn't have to change our use of "cone" and "co-cone" over a
diagram D, rows and columns would be the special cases, when D is
discrete.
I have often used "rows" and "columns" in the context of general
"matrices", which I explained in my previous mail, without having met
any ambiguity or incompatibility
> One might also observe that such a family can be identified with a
> diagram indexed on the collage (or cograph) of a
> profunctor/distributor between discrete categories (specifically, the
> profunctor constant at 1). But that doesn't immediately suggest a
> conciser name to my mind.
2- This "ad hoc" identification, apart from the fact that it "doesn't
immediately suggest a conciser name", needs complicated notions such
as distributors and collages. Moreover it "doesn't immediately
suggest" generalizations. There is a very simple interpretation in
terms of the canonical fibration Fam(C) --> Set which can be easily
generalized, and permits to define "arrays" for arbitrary fibrations
p: X --> S, provided S has finite products. With mild assumptions on
p and X, one can even define "matrices" and develop a "matrix calculus"
Best to all,
Jean
> One place such families occur is in what one might call "joint
> source/sink factorization systems". For instance, in Ross Street's
> paper "The family approach to total cocompleteness and toposes," a
> "familially regular category" is defined to be one in which any such
> "array" with J finite factors into a strong-epic sink followed by a
> monic source, and strong-epic sinks are stable under pullback.
>
> Another is that just as the limit of a diagram is a cone over that
> diagram with a universal property, a *multilimit* of a diagram can be
> described as an "array" over that diagram (which we may regard as a
> family of cones with the same codomain) with a universal property.
>
> Mike
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-01-05 4:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-01-04 10:44 Reinhard Boerger
2011-01-04 18:31 ` Michael Shulman
2011-01-05 4:30 ` JeanBenabou [this message]
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2011-01-03 0:40 Fred E.J. Linton
2011-01-02 23:26 Michael Shulman
2011-01-03 22:40 ` burroni
2011-02-04 18:48 ` Tom Prince
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