[[The following message is sent on behalf of posinavrayudu@gmail.com -- for whatever reason it did not seem to have been sent/approved properly to the mailing list, apologies if you receive multiple copies]] Dear Professor Barr, Thank you very much for sharing the history of naming and renaming Godement's construction: la construction standarde. If I may, having read about the influence of Godement's Théorie des faisceaux on the work of Grothendieck (https://www.math.mcgill.ca/barr/papers/gk.pdf) and on that of Professor F. William Lawvere (https://www.mat.uc.pt/~picado/lawvere/interview.pdf), I can't help but wonder if there's an English translation of Godement's sheaf theory book. Speaking of names, unless I'm all confused about composition of adjoint functors, another name is doctrine (https://www.math.union.edu/~niefiels/13conference/Web/Slides/Fifty_Years_of_Functorial_Semantics.pdf). Please correct me if I'm mistaken. Thanking you, Yours truly, posina ________________________________ From: Urs Schreiber Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 3:26 PM To: Michael Barr, Prof. Cc: Categories mailing list Subject: Re: The game of the name: Standard constructions, triples, monads, fundamental constructions Just to note that in 2009 on this same list, the lunch-genesis of "monad" was attributed to Jean Benabou, see Barr 2009 https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/monad#Barr09 Indeed, in print the term was introduced by Benabou 1967: "Introduction to Bicategories" (section 5.4) together with the astute observation that monads are the lax images of 1 and thus quite the 2-categorical version of the units=monads of Euclid. https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/monad+terminology On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 1:22 AM Michael Barr, Prof. > wrote: People seemed to enjoy my history of the founding of TAC, so I thought you might enjoy my sharing of other historical notes. This construction was introduced in Godement's book Théorie des faisceaux in connection with his resolution of sheaves by "faisceaux mous" (soft sheaves) which are an injective class. He called this "la construction standarde". It is not clear whether this was intended to name them or merely describe them. At any rate, around 1960, Benno Eckmann and his students took as a name and called them standard constructions. One of the students, Peter Huber, told me that they were having trouble, in particular cases, verifying the associative law. And then he noticed that in all the cases he knew, the functor T had the form UF, where F --| U. He wondered if every adjoint pair gave rise to a standard construction and proved that it did. Then another student, Heinrich Kleisli, showed that the converse was also true. That gave us the well-known Kleisli construction. In 1963 Samuel Eilenberg and John Moore published a monograph called Foundations of Relative Homological Algebra in which they used this construction as basic. Only they didn't call them standard constructions; they called them triples. I once asked Sammy why and he replied that it didn't seem like an important concept and it didn't seem worth it to spend a lot of time worrying about the name. This is in stark contrast with the time he and Henri Cartan spent thinking about the name for their basic sequences. There is a story, perhaps apocryphal, that their book was in proof stage before they settled on the exact name. So triple was name Jon Beck and I were using in our joint work on homological algebra. Then in 1966 there was a category meeting in Oberwohlfach and there was a lot of discussion of a better name. The next bit of the story comes out of my extremely fallible memory and could well be mistaken. One day at lunch I was sitting next to Anders Koch and he asked what I thought about the name monad. I thought (and still think!) it was a pretty good name and so he proposed it and the assembled crowd agreed and adopted it. I would have too, but Jon rejected it. Why, I asked him. He did not think it a good name and refused to use it. He said there was no point in replacing one bad name by another. Since we were collaborating and since he was even more stubborn than me, that's they way it was. In our papers, Jon insisted on putting functions to the right of their arguments, just like reverse Polish. Then we stopped collaborating and, by 1980, I think I was about ready to start using monad. But then TTT came along and the alliteration was just too good to pass up. Charles Wells agreed on those grounds. And what about fundamental construction? I spent six and a half months at the ETH in Zurich. A few days after I arrived, I got a phone call from Peter Huber, the aforementioned former student of Eckmann's. He had just received from Math Reviews a paper written by Jean-Marie Maranda that used that term for the concept and Huber asked me if there was any way to stop that proliferation of names. As far as I know, that was the only place that term was ever used. Michael You're receiving this message because you're a member of the Categories mailing list group from Macquarie University. To take part in this conversation, reply all to this message. View group files | Leave group | Learn more about Microsoft 365 Groups