From: Michael Barr <barr@barrs.org>
To: categories <categories@mta.ca>
Subject: Re: quantum logic
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:01:26 -0400 (EDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310221158010.31417-100000@triples.math.mcgill.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20031020195106.GA2487@math-rs-n03.ucr.edu>
I will stick to my perception that if you dealing with Hilbert or Banach
spaces isomorphisms should be just that. It makes no difference to the
*-autonomous structure anyway.
For Banach spaces, if you take as underlying functor the closed unit ball,
it has an adjoint. It is not tripleable, however, but C^*-algebras are
(with the unit ball underlying functor).
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Toby Bartels wrote:
> Michael Barr wrote in part:
>
> >After giving the matter some thought, I finally decided that the
> >category of Hilbert spaces should have as its morphisms norm-reducing
> >linear maps. At the very least that will ensure that an isomorphism is
> >an isometry.
>
> True, but are you begging the question by trying to ensure that?
> After all, an invertible bounded linear map is enough to deduce
> that Hilbert spaces are isomorphic (even in the sense of isometric),
> so why not count those maps as isomorphisms themselves?
>
> This matter is much bigger than Hilbert spaces, of course;
> moving to Banach spaces (a closed category even for arbitrary dimension),
> we can even see how, /as/ a closed category, it doesn't really matter!
> The question is, what is the forgetful functor from Ban to Set?
> Do we take the set of all vectors? or do we take the closed unit ball?
> The former corresponds to allowing all bounded linear maps as morphisms,
> while the latter corresponds to requiring norm-reducing linear maps.
> But in the closed category Ban, the Banach space of morphisms
> is, whatever your conventions, the space of all bounded linear maps.
> Still, this can be consistent with either choice of hom-SET,
> since the closed unit ball in the Banach space of bounded linear maps
> is none other than your preferred hom-set of norm-reducing maps.
>
> Jim Dolan (IIRC) suggested that Ban is more fundamentally a closed category
> than a category in the first place.
>
> We can do this on a more elementary level with metric spaces;
> is the hom-set the set of all Lipschitz continuous functions,
> or is it only the set of distance-reducing functions?
> But unlike with Banach (or Hilbert) spaces, this makes a difference
> even to the classification of metric spaces into isomorphism classes.
> The question becomes, is an isomorphism of metric spaces
> merely a relabelling of points keeping all distances the same,
> or does it also allow for a recalibration of ones ruler?
> Which is the correct interpretation may depend on the application,
> and how absolute -- rather than measured in some unit -- the distances are.
> (One can even recalibrate more generously to allow as morphisms
> all uniformly continuous maps, or even all continuous maps.
> Thus classically one speaks of variously "equivalent" metric spaces,
> such as "uniformly equivalent" or "topologically equivalent".)
> To get closed categories here, one must restrict to bounded metric spaces;
> the analysis is a little more fun than for Banach spaces,
> especially with the degeneracy surrounding the initial and terminal spaces.
>
>
> -- Toby
>
>
>
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Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-10-12 22:08 John Baez
2003-10-13 15:10 ` Michael Barr
2003-10-18 20:57 ` Michael Barr
2003-10-20 19:51 ` Toby Bartels
2003-10-22 16:01 ` Michael Barr [this message]
2003-10-22 20:14 ` Toby Bartels
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2003-10-22 18:07 Fred E.J. Linton
[not found] ` <20031022201258.GF22371@math-rs-n03.ucr.edu>
2003-10-24 7:05 ` Fred E.J. Linton
2003-10-12 0:57 John Baez
2003-10-12 18:31 ` Robert Seely
2003-10-12 20:49 ` Michael Barr
2003-10-13 13:01 ` Pedro Resende
2003-10-13 13:21 ` Peter McBurney
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