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From: ptj@maths.cam.ac.uk
To: dawson <dawson@cs.smu.ca>
Cc: categories@mq.edu.au
Subject: Re: Categories vis-a-vis Naturality
Date: 30 Oct 2023 10:40:36 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Prayer.1.3.5.2310301040360.254508@prayer2004.maths.cam.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ceca2215c042d6832c9b5b74a69c7312@cs.smu.ca>

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I agree. In my first-year graduate course on category theory, after I've
shown that the three concepts `terminal object', `right adjoint' and
`limit' are all interdefinable, I jokingly add `You might say that
category-theorists have only ever had one good idea, and all we do
is to keep dressing it up in new clothes'. (The `one good idea' is of 
course the notion of universal element, which comes from Yoneda.) 
But the `dressing up in new clothes' does matter: the introduction of
(appropriate!) new concepts is an important aid to understanding. So
I think it is `selling category theory short' to describe it as `just'
the study of naturality.

Peter Johnstone

On Oct 29 2023, dawson wrote:

>I'm with David here.
>
>For some purposes it is genuinely useful to know that all categorical
>concepts can be reduced to "terminal object", or that the entire theory
>of deterministic computation can be emulated within group theory.  But
>that doesn't mean that this should always be done! Mathematics is all
>about knowing many ways to look at something, and choosing the right
>one(s).
>
>"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it
>into a fruit salad."
>
>Best to all,
>Robert Dawson
>
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-10-30 10:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-23  5:39 Welcome to the new Categories mailing list JS Lemay
2023-10-23  8:26 ` JS Lemay
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2023-10-28 20:46   ` Categories vis-a-vis Naturality JS Lemay
     [not found]     ` <CABTYDMHwtDbb6c1zgyAELzSSg=-xf20RTSJ6JLOpRj22vxmqJg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]       ` <F761733C-9F28-4C2B-B445-024DFE3C2BA8@mq.edu.au>
     [not found]         ` <CABTYDME5rLeodDD_qZ5qpFyUyd9=aoxg2mo+MK+vTEHxmaqc=g@mail.gmail.com>
2023-10-28 21:37           ` Johnathon Taylor
2023-10-29  6:31     ` Ross Street
2023-10-29 10:12       ` Posina Venkata Rayudu
2023-10-29 18:18         ` Johnathon Taylor
2023-10-29 19:33           ` Posina Venkata Rayudu
2023-10-29 19:50             ` Johnathon Taylor
2023-10-30  0:54               ` Vaughan Pratt
2023-10-29 21:14             ` David Roberts
2023-10-29 22:38               ` dawson
2023-10-30  7:17                 ` Patrik Eklund
2023-10-30 10:40                 ` ptj [this message]
2023-10-30  7:08               ` Patrik Eklund
2023-10-29 13:00       ` [EXT] " Bob Coecke
2023-10-29 13:50         ` Posina Venkata Rayudu

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