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WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) Message-ID-Hash: 5N3GG3GOGMKBV3X67APUYEG3ZU3IMINI X-Message-ID-Hash: 5N3GG3GOGMKBV3X67APUYEG3ZU3IMINI X-MailFrom: grog@lemis.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: COFF X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: Safelights (was: "9 skills our grandkids won't have") List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --GPJrCs/72TxItFYR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Friday, 1 July 2022 at 19:35:02 -0700, Larry McVoy wrote: > On Fri, Jul 01, 2022 at 09:24:28PM -0500, Charles H. Sauer wrote: >>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 8:26 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >>> >>> On Friday, 1 July 2022 at 17:57:35 -0700, Adam Thornton wrote: >>>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 5:08 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >>>>> On Friday, 1 July 2022 at 20:12:44 +0200, Harald Arnesen wrote: >>>>>> Except that we didn't use red light in our darkrooms at all, at least >>>>>> not from the 1970s and on. ... >>>>> >>>>> Correct. I started darkroom work in 1964, and from the beginning we >>>>> used amber safelights. I don't think red safelights have been used >>>>> since long before that. >>>> >>>> When I learned film photography in the mid 1980s the darkroom had >>>> red lights. Of course it was a very old darkroom in a middle school, >>>> so I'm sure that _adequate_ darkrooms had better equipment. >>> >>> Hmm. Any idea how old the equipment is? I suppose you wouldn't >>> expect people to replace existing, functional equipment without good >>> reason. >> >> I recall three darkrooms that I used, in 1960 a makeshift one in >> bathroom in my home, a regular one in an armory in Greenbelt MD >> about the same time, and one in the student union at UT Austin >> about 1970. All three used red lights IIRC. > > I was a photography nerd in the 1980's and we used red lights. As nerdy > as I was, I remember those times with fond memories. Something special > about putting the paper in the mix and seeing the picture come out of > nowhere. And the power you had with dodging to bring what you wanted > into focus. Hmm. Strange. Maybe it's a USA thing. I *have* seen a red safelight (I bought a red filter for our school safelight just for the fun of it), but I can't recall anybody using one in earnest. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. 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