From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23695 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2022 00:29:19 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 9 Jul 2022 00:29:19 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30BC9407B4; Sat, 9 Jul 2022 10:29:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mailout2.ceti.pl (mailout2.ceti.pl [62.121.128.42]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38AFF4078C for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2022 10:29:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout2.ceti.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99ECE2729D for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2022 02:29:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mailout.ceti.pl Received: from mailout2.ceti.pl ([62.121.128.42]) by localhost (mailout.ceti.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q_FvuQ1ZsjHZ for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2022 02:29:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tau1.ceti.pl (tau.ceti.pl [62.121.128.11]) by mailout2.ceti.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3788927295 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2022 02:29:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: by tau1.ceti.pl (Postfix, from userid 3727) id EC6C1960DE1; Sat, 9 Jul 2022 02:29:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 02:29:07 +0200 From: Tomasz Rola To: Computer Old Farts Forum Message-ID: <20220709002907.GB28363@tau1.ceti.pl> References: <20220708074049.GB3053@tau1.ceti.pl> <87mtdj3now.fsf@hack.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87mtdj3now.fsf@hack.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Message-ID-Hash: AB3WLCU2MDVSXXSSZW2LG5DQQJKGGOSC X-Message-ID-Hash: AB3WLCU2MDVSXXSSZW2LG5DQQJKGGOSC X-MailFrom: rtomek@tau1.ceti.pl X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: Systemd Creator Lands At Microsoft List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, Jul 08, 2022 at 12:26:23PM +0200, Michael Cardell Widerkrantz wrote: > Tomasz Rola , 2022-07-08 09:40 (+0200): > > > Well, what the title says. Some folks here wandered what the future > > may be. I suppose destroying Linux, or making it irrelevant. > > Microsoft of today is really not the Microsoft of the 1990s. There are a > lot of people at MSFT working on Linux in different forms. If you know this first hand, then great. I admit, after 1995 I have only used anything MS about few times a year or so. The experience was always a bit miserable - my index finger got stiff from constant clicking, my mouse-arm got tired from precision moves etc. You may thing I am exagerrating, in such case try moving your finger up and down for an hour - I was just trying to port my Linux workflow under Windows, and I am sure if I really had to work under Windows, I would have invented some shortcuts to save my finger. But I digress. You wrote, MS is not the same as in 1990. I think, sure, thirty years later, they would not be the same. But you seem to imply that "so old-thinking guys are out of the doors already". This might be. However, I am more likely to believe that "old thinking guys" made sure to hire new guys who would be able to get the torch from their cold hands and carry on. On the surface, a business is all new ("hey we hire new people every day"). Under the surface, a business is almost the same ("why change something that works so well"). > > What would happened, if systemd development went in two ways, one > > gnu-licenced and the other commercial? > > I suppose more distributions would look at the alternatives like OpenRC > or S6. Maybe. I am still trying to evaluate various alternatives to Debian and I am not so sure. Debian was so bloody good (for me) that finding alternative is hard (especially that I expect to do something with computer at the same time). -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola@bigfoot.com **