From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 15981 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2022 08:36:05 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 9 Jul 2022 08:36:05 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF0D40920; Sat, 9 Jul 2022 18:36:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mailout2.ceti.pl (mailout2.ceti.pl [62.121.128.42]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E65A406F5 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2022 18:35:56 +1000 (AEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout2.ceti.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7322D6A0 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2022 10:35:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mailout.ceti.pl Received: from mailout2.ceti.pl ([62.121.128.42]) by localhost (mailout.ceti.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gtUymFFJj575 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2022 10:35:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tau1.ceti.pl (tau.ceti.pl [62.121.128.11]) by mailout2.ceti.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468A42D67B for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2022 10:35:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by tau1.ceti.pl (Postfix, from userid 3727) id 3D4FD960B1E; Sat, 9 Jul 2022 10:35:53 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2022 10:35:53 +0200 From: Tomasz Rola To: coff@tuhs.org Message-ID: <20220709083552.GC28363@tau1.ceti.pl> References: <20220708074049.GB3053@tau1.ceti.pl> <87mtdj3now.fsf@hack.org> <20220709002907.GB28363@tau1.ceti.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Message-ID-Hash: CUAMKAYSOXVOITVIETTW6JK6WOBIPOQ3 X-Message-ID-Hash: CUAMKAYSOXVOITVIETTW6JK6WOBIPOQ3 X-MailFrom: rtomek@tau1.ceti.pl X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: Systemd Creator Lands At Microsoft List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, Jul 09, 2022 at 03:52:30AM +0200, Angel M Alganza wrote: > Hello, Tomasz, > [...] > Devuan GNU+Linux is a fork of Debian without systemd that allows > users to reclaim control over their system by avoiding > unnecessary entanglements and ensuring Init Freedom. Thank you. I have Devuan on a (very short) list. Right now I am testing a systemd based Debian derivative, to see what I will be missing. Testing takes time etc. I am not very impressed, so far. During last months, nothing I would like to have so much that I would go with systemd. It just behaves predictably, which is a lot, but not really lot. After all, it is still a Linux. However, performance seems to be worse. I have a really old (like, decade) desktop with really antique Debian (pre-systemd) and it seems to behave faster than a newish (bought from second hand) laptop with integrated CPU/GPU and Parrot installed on it. The clocks - I always downclock as a rule. So old Debian is clocked @800MHz and Parrot @1100MHz. Hence Parrot really could do a bit more, but nope. Feels sluggish, but I might be making this up. After all, I do not like the whole idea of systemd and stuff. Well, a small difference - Debian runs on four cores, and Parrot cannot. On four cores it overheats and shuts down whenever I try to use it - be it computing control sums or compiling. In order to be any usable at all I have to boot it with maxcpus=1. This probably tells more about quality of laptop than Parrot. But I will see more when I install something else on it. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola@bigfoot.com **