From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 24391 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2023 18:48:18 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 24 Jan 2023 18:48:18 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2FC4241E; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 04:47:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mercury.lcs.mit.edu (mercury.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.122]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70D364241A for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2023 04:47:39 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 11178) id 5564518C080; Tue, 24 Jan 2023 13:47:38 -0500 (EST) To: coff@tuhs.org, crossd@gmail.com Message-Id: <20230124184738.5564518C080@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2023 13:47:38 -0500 (EST) From: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) Message-ID-Hash: MSU7N6BT6JGTEHQKOGESFNIW3HNEKO47 X-Message-ID-Hash: MSU7N6BT6JGTEHQKOGESFNIW3HNEKO47 X-MailFrom: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Fwd: How did Bell Labs start to work on Project MAC? List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: > From: Dan Cross > From Acceptable Name : Gmail has decided this machine is a source of spam, and is rejecting all email from it, and I have yet to sort out what's going on, so someone might want to forward anything I turn up to this person. >> Did Bell Labs approach MIT or was it the other way around? I looked around the Multics site, but all I could find is this: "Bell Laboratories (BTL) joined the Multics software development effort in November of 1964" https://multicians.org/history.html I did look through IEEE Annals of the History of Computing, vol. 14, no. 2, listed there, but it's mostly about the roots of CTSS. It does have a footnote referring to Doug, about the timing, but no detail of how Bell Labs got involved. I have yet to look at the oral history things from Corby, etc which may answer this in passing. I'll ask Jerry Saltzer if he remembers; he's about the only person left from MIT who was around at that point. >> Did participating in Project MAC come from researchers requesting >> management at Bell Labs/MIT At MIT, the 'managers' and the researchers were the same people, pretty much. If you read the panel transcript in V14N2, Fano was the closest thing to a manager (although he was really a professor) there was at MIT, and he talks about not wanting to be involved in managing the thing! Noel