From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 16481 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2023 17:28:31 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 31 Jul 2023 17:28:31 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E3C41121; Tue, 1 Aug 2023 03:28:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from sdaoden.eu (sdaoden.eu [217.144.132.164]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5C0D41120 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2023 03:28:22 +1000 (AEST) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 19:28:20 +0200 Author: Steffen Nurpmeso From: Steffen Nurpmeso To: Paul Winalski Message-ID: <20230731172820.5g6oj%steffen@sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: References: <5ec59010-d848-8adc-9872-7a4e6fb599eb@tnetconsulting.net> <20230730203321.QWoHZ%steffen@sdaoden.eu> Mail-Followup-To: Paul Winalski , coff@tuhs.org User-Agent: s-nail v14.9.24-499-g9579627eac OpenPGP: id=EE19E1C1F2F7054F8D3954D8308964B51883A0DD; url=https://ftp.sdaoden.eu/steffen.asc; preference=signencrypt BlahBlahBlah: Any stupid boy can crush a beetle. But all the professors in the world can make no bugs. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: 4JR25YQYRHWWM3L4HI7KNE3FU6FUPEZ7 X-Message-ID-Hash: 4JR25YQYRHWWM3L4HI7KNE3FU6FUPEZ7 X-MailFrom: steffen@sdaoden.eu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: coff@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: Typical Fate of Older Hardware List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Paul Winalski wrote in : |I just read that on average one gram of gold is extracted from one ton |of gold ore. Between the circuit runs inside chip packages and the |gold coating on contacts, I'd think that discarded circuit boards |could match conventional gold ore in terms of yield. | |There's a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth concerning the world's |supply of rare earth metals, which are needed for, among other things, |the permanent magnets in disk drives. Wouldn't discarded hard drives |be a good source of these metals vs. virgin ores? The entire world has to go closed-loop economy. Our (the german) chancellor (and despite the absolutely non-understandable support of the frantic west) is talking this ever since. First really europe-wide noted in his speech at "Karlsuniversit=C3=A4t Prag"(ue) in August last year. Die Technologien daf=C3=BCr sind heute schon da. Was wir brauchen, sind gemeinsame Standards f=C3=BCr den Einstieg in eine echte europ=C3=A4ische Kreislaufwirtschaft =E2=80=91 ich nenne es: ein strategisches Update unseres Binnenmarkts. The necessary technologies exist already today. What we need are common standards to enter a real european closed-loop economy -- i call it: a strategic update of our domestic market. 'Problem seems to be that the hundreds of millions of (most often, poor) refugees which have to leave the coasts inland-wise, and all the "contained" countries, and all the exsanguinated countries, will not have the necessary resources to do the necessary investment. Of course -- we can then sell something. --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)