From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFDA205E1 for ; Sat, 11 May 2024 01:02:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C772435E4; Sat, 11 May 2024 09:02:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: from sdaoden.eu (sdaoden.eu [217.144.132.164]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A39D435E4 for ; Sat, 11 May 2024 09:02:21 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sdaoden.eu; s=citron; t=1715382138; x=1716048804; h=date:author:from:to:cc:subject: message-id:in-reply-to:references:mail-followup-to:openpgp:blahblahblah: mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:author:from:subject: date:to:cc:resent-date:resent-from:resent-to:resent-cc:in-reply-to: references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id: mail-followup-to:openpgp:blahblahblah; bh=SyzgxJlKZrzu4qaegiNEi7AdZQy1LgMWERQT7E4MvXw=; b=OwpBwrB+lsUnfS5zrq6wkNa5HA6TdcKxoq+r5w4tPBpqMsG1K3GAttWmauafEsbeg18/yH4X QFaGFG/OaAID45jb/XW5Iv0++7DxW+WSsLCjT2zJY4LaKPJ3jNao9VykvQpQXETuZ0dUUTEjic BXm98tWk9KmNHnNegAGgw4s6v9AczjEya/Gke13Ly7GwcmM93LLw3m3TVNZDhnCTrD8gM/I5Eh XYImqgS1iSVaYZAbp+yh4CWwqnbpwNljie8ONAOINcRe3OdOyJwV/D3pzLuDgUD1qPpO14Ujgm jDa5LZZvtY/TIG4FvE/BMXc6Gp+WG+qAMwH+pRyX0lQSJBnw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sdaoden.eu; s=orange; t=1715382138; x=1716048804; h=date:author:from:to:cc:subject: message-id:in-reply-to:references:mail-followup-to:openpgp:blahblahblah: mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:author:from:subject: date:to:cc:resent-date:resent-from:resent-to:resent-cc:in-reply-to: references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id: mail-followup-to:openpgp:blahblahblah; bh=SyzgxJlKZrzu4qaegiNEi7AdZQy1LgMWERQT7E4MvXw=; b=Rv7e+MyCBlYXh03V6RrxXk3uSTKv2HF6hUaRQ0sUgdnieG5JAtNhU+Y/+/CaWxmhMkdHUmJd 8wDZ5/PvLJyiAA== Date: Sat, 11 May 2024 01:02:17 +0200 Author: Steffen Nurpmeso From: Steffen Nurpmeso To: Clem Cole Message-ID: <20240510230217.IRjT8OER@steffen%sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: Clem Cole , Rob Pike , Computer Old Farts Followers User-Agent: s-nail v14.9.24-621-g0d1e55f367 OpenPGP: id=EE19E1C1F2F7054F8D3954D8308964B51883A0DD; url=https://ftp.sdaoden.eu/steffen.asc; preference=signencrypt BlahBlahBlah: Any stupid boy can crush a beetle. But all the professors in the world can make no bugs. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: QAQTTLR4I76LTMS3IOSVP5RIAFMCAFQ7 X-Message-ID-Hash: QAQTTLR4I76LTMS3IOSVP5RIAFMCAFQ7 X-MailFrom: steffen@sdaoden.eu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Rob Pike , Computer Old Farts Followers X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: [TUHS] On Bloat and the Idea of Small Specialized Tools List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Clem Cole wrote in : |While the idea of small tools that do one job well is the core tenant of |what I think of as the UNIX philosophy, this goes a bit beyond UNIX, so I |have moved this discussion to COFF and BCCing TUHS for now. | |The key is that not all "bloat" is the same (really)=E2=80=94or maybe one= person's |bloat is another person's preference. That said, NIH leads to pure bloat Yeah, give me back my "cat -vet"! |with little to recommend it, while multiple offerings are a choice. Maybe |the difference between the two may be one person's view over another. Sure. Many of the small Unix tools are simply unknown to many newcomers (like myself), or they turn out to be too simple, pr has always been enscript here, for example. I wonder how many modern Linux systems even ship the majority of these tools, or how often they get invoked, if at all. But deep in my heart i dislike the systemd that totally contradicts the entire concept as such, and hope i can stick to my fast and simple booting with SysV scripts, and separate daemons for separate tasks. ...[dropped the top-posted stuff] --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)