From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D39E21BAA for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2024 02:04:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28AF429F4; Wed, 27 Nov 2024 11:03:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from sdaoden.eu (sdaoden.eu [217.144.132.164]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB0E3427E0 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2024 11:03:54 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sdaoden.eu; s=citron; t=1732669431; x=1733336097; h=date:author:from:to:cc:subject: message-id:in-reply-to:references:mail-followup-to:openpgp:blahblahblah: mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:author:from:subject: date:to:cc:resent-author:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender:resent-to: resent-cc:resent-reply-to:resent-message-id:in-reply-to:references: mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition: content-id:content-description:message-id:mail-followup-to:openpgp: blahblahblah; bh=SVRw1tu2f+jn4sTg4k9KpTS2segp3fiZIlNTJqRnqtA=; b=G7zqyP4y0BWEBAy7OmwYJA4jE8Mc8EhvJQ/hlRG6+41249b+3tYv8yHMqQHRbTYDeBIWej8h CfNcykYkqTHreHFojnG8Eb0uG0n1UogM/F7xYphoqW0W1YLjO5yZdgmCjdwHKr4GOHWhnHw3yW ng4afvM/3U60MAGudsuttK+n+De02ahqV2/HYaBjhkqU6EhsG/3v/aYKlv7PSJsNQpgmlQ3oZg a4kjpJAi1yleEyb9kCU7o2rdbmvdaJ1hAstVe12PG/EIpbupSl7Hei0ds2u2N4DQGEVwDilDA8 QAVVh5rudBbY+Bf6DIIt418ZTd3LKhx5B2vUMhfdvHPuOFzA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=adaed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sdaoden.eu; s=orange; t=1732669431; x=1733336097; h=date:author:from:to:cc:subject: message-id:in-reply-to:references:mail-followup-to:openpgp:blahblahblah: mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:author:from:subject: date:to:cc:resent-author:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender:resent-to: resent-cc:resent-reply-to:resent-message-id:in-reply-to:references: mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition: content-id:content-description:message-id:mail-followup-to:openpgp: blahblahblah; bh=SVRw1tu2f+jn4sTg4k9KpTS2segp3fiZIlNTJqRnqtA=; b=J3kwwpQsdoWV392M9QpcewnlLg9LpUQB2A1b5mU99SkGbp0QT/tvEdIoelOM0HRNeknUtgdu iT4yjqHyyYh+DA== Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2024 02:03:50 +0100 Author: Steffen Nurpmeso From: Steffen Nurpmeso To: Larry McVoy Message-ID: <20241127010350.mToAkuOx@steffen%sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: <20241126201503.GJ30570@mcvoy.com> References: <20240930191216.tIpea9lo@steffen%sdaoden.eu> <20241126201503.GJ30570@mcvoy.com> Mail-Followup-To: Larry McVoy , Dan Cross , Kevin Bowling , Anton Shepelev , COFF User-Agent: s-nail v14.9.25-628-g13af0798b7 OpenPGP: id=EE19E1C1F2F7054F8D3954D8308964B51883A0DD; url=https://ftp.sdaoden.eu/steffen.asc; preference=signencrypt BlahBlahBlah: Any stupid boy can crush a beetle. But all the professors in the world can make no bugs. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: N5OHDNT6ST25LDGVUYQ5K7RGO42AYR4X X-Message-ID-Hash: N5OHDNT6ST25LDGVUYQ5K7RGO42AYR4X X-MailFrom: steffen@sdaoden.eu X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Kevin Bowling , Anton Shepelev , COFF X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Re: Minimum Array Sizes in 16 bit C (was Maximum) List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Larry McVoy wrote in <20241126201503.GJ30570@mcvoy.com>: |On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 02:51:38PM -0500, Dan Cross wrote: |> Many of Hollub's claims are ridiculous on the face of them ("you don't |> need a bug tracker! You don't need schedules! Code should be written |> by 'mobbing'!" | |Why would anyone listen to this guy? I ran engineering at BitMover for= =20 |18 years, yeah, you need a bug tracker. If for no other reason than to |track the churn rate. HP-UX used that metric to decide when to land the |plane. Only to mention it, the Linux bugzilla is famous for living "in the twilight zone": https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/6808cd17-b48c-657d-de60-ef9d8bfa151e@leemhui= s.info/ From: Thorsten Leemhuis To: Linus Torvalds , Greg KH , Konstantin Ryabitsev Date: 2022-04-06 Subject: A lot of regression reports submitted to bugzilla.kernel.org are= apparently ignored, even bisected ones |You need to realize that schedules are a rough idea, but you absolutely |need them, people work better towards a goal. | |This guy sounds like he hasn't worked on anything other than small |user space programs. I have not seen or read anything but what was posted here, but .. honestly i find it overly funny. In that it sounds to reflect actual reality of many, if not most, big engineering efforts i have ever heard of. Ie, if budget and time limits go down the engineer reality toilet, why not just leave them alone. For example, in Germany/Europe we had the J=C3=A4ger90 (fighter plane), to which the polish did not want to .. but that aside .., which then turned to J=C3=A4ger91, 92, 93, 95, 2000 (i have forgotten the real details mind you, 35+ years since that was mess of the week -- and it really was exactly that). Yes, eventually this turned to the Eurofighter, but it was *at leas* a decade late, and it took even longer thereafter, until 2006 says wikipedia, until it really entered service. --End of <20241126201503.GJ30570@mcvoy.com> --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) | |And in Fall, feel "The Dropbear Bard"s ball(s). | |The banded bear |without a care, |Banged on himself for e'er and e'er | |Farewell, dear collar bear