From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 32539 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2021 01:14:04 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Nov 2021 01:14:04 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A93829CA3E; Fri, 19 Nov 2021 11:14:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153279C2A1; Fri, 19 Nov 2021 11:13:50 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key; secure) header.d=tnetconsulting.net header.i=@tnetconsulting.net header.b="PAxhn8Fv"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 125B99C2A1; Fri, 19 Nov 2021 11:12:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net (tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net [45.33.28.24]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 897689C152 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2021 11:12:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from Contact-TNet-Consulting-Abuse-for-assistance by tncsrv06.tnetconsulting.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-3) with ESMTPSA id 1AJ1CPU8030231 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 19:12:28 -0600 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=tnetconsulting.net; s=2019; t=1637284348; bh=wG/WhfwDNO++40cCd9vr5QbTBg82RaFlZK00Tz6NmQA=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Disposition: Content-Language:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Date:From: In-Reply-To:Message-ID:MIME-Version:References:Reply-To: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Sender:Subject:To: User-Agent; b=PAxhn8FvObrYJeO9BolX9xV5ALmVC435CCU8VxaeWdm60OJv597xDzzKbGQTSd9ix UKluuMhFjFGkKpmWbNYgDy5CTZBUsC8AJ4NUIyNfyRs22CJp5J13NGg49f3IKBl/iq qiSid25P0nraFG04ef9rZLaqwCTMRwCnbYnsgkJM= To: coff@minnie.tuhs.org References: <20211118230310.GB94373@eureka.lemis.com> Organization: TNet Consulting Message-ID: <39215532-47b8-92ba-ce82-d1307ce5be03@spamtrap.tnetconsulting.net> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:12:12 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20211118230310.GB94373@eureka.lemis.com> Subject: Re: [COFF] Powershell better than Bourne shell? X-BeenThere: coff@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Grant Taylor via COFF Reply-To: Grant Taylor Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1738701267113554921==" Errors-To: coff-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "COFF" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============1738701267113554921== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms050308090205090201080407" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050308090205090201080407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/18/21 4:03 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > I recently had a discussion with some colleagues on the topic of=20 > shells. Two people whom I respect both told me that Microsoft's=20 > Powershell runs rings round the Bourne shell. I've heard praise of PowerShell from people who are skilled in the=20 typical Unix shell. But I've never heard anything on the order of=20 running rings around Bourne shell. > Somehow that sounds like anathema to me, but it's not beyond the bounds= =20 > of possibility. Before I waste time investigating, can anybody here=20 > give me some insights? I would say that PowerShell was designed two or more decades /after/=20 Bourne shell and that a lot was learned in computer since in the=20 intervening time. I've been told that PowerShell and / or the commands run therefrom=20 actually pass structural data that is easy to query /if/ you know how to = do so. It's this structure vs free form textual output that is common=20 in Unix shells that make the biggest difference. Think XML markup vs an = unstructured text file. (Though you don't actually see the structure=20 scaffolding.) 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