From: Aron Insinga <aki@insinga.com>
To: coff@tuhs.org
Subject: [COFF] Re: machine code translation,as mental architecture models
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2024 17:05:01 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3e5e6a68-e557-4b03-96ea-949f4404c517@insinga.com> (raw)
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On 7/13/24 13:36, Paul Winalski wrote:
> Neither the VAX assembler nor the VAX MACRO compiler treats macros as
> high-level entities. I know of no assembler that would do such a thing.
>
> -Paul W.
This morning I would have agreed with you but I think I found a
counter-example. At MIT, there were 2 assemblers written for the TX-0
and later ported and retargeted to the PDP-1: MACRO (which DEC adopted)
and then Midas (which MIT stayed with for the PDP-6 and PDP-10).
The MIDAS assembler manual says that it copies characters from the macro
body into the source program (as we would expect to happen today for a
macro, as opposed to an inline procedure):
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/mit/rle_pdp1/memos/PDP-1_MIDAS.pdf
p 10 in the document says:
When a macro instruction is called, MIDAS reads out the characters
which form the macro-instruction definition, substitutes the
characters of the arguments for the dummy arguments, and inserts the
resulting characters into the source program as if typed there
originally.
However, the DEC PDP-1 MACRO assembler manual says that a macro call is
expanded by copying the *sequence of 'storage words' and advancing the
current location (.) for each word copied* (although it does replace
labels with memory addresses):
https://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp1/PDP-1_Macro.pdf
p 19 in the document says:
I am quite surprised.
[For those who may not know, the TX-0 was built at MIT Lincoln Lab in
1956 and, when it was no longer useful for their research, it was moved
onto the campus where the model railroad club found it and started
hacking. DEC was spun off from Lincoln Lab, with the result that the
PDP-1 was very similar to the TX-0, and an early PDP-1 was installed in
the room on campus next to the TX-0. But that was all before my time.]
- Aron
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-07-13 21:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-07-13 11:09 Douglas McIlroy
2024-07-13 17:36 ` Paul Winalski
2024-07-13 21:05 ` Aron Insinga [this message]
2024-07-14 15:55 ` Paul Winalski
2024-07-14 17:29 ` G. Branden Robinson
[not found] <20240710203422.284BA18C077@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
[not found] ` <20240710212641.E24548F5C32C@ary.qy>
2024-07-11 1:29 ` [COFF] Re: [TUHS] " Dan Cross
[not found] ` <18977302-8934-ec96-9154-b3c53824e506@taugh.com>
2024-07-11 2:05 ` Dan Cross
2024-07-11 16:50 ` Paul Winalski
2024-07-12 16:23 ` John R Levine
2024-07-12 16:51 ` [COFF] " Paul Winalski
2024-07-12 17:02 ` John R Levine
2024-07-12 20:52 ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-12 22:03 ` John Levine
2024-07-13 0:25 ` Aron Insinga
2024-07-13 0:27 ` Dave Horsfall
2024-07-13 1:19 ` Paul Winalski
[not found] ` <CABH=_VS8z6ayJSQab0u5Cxw--hM8px8-eFGjeFCKTXxe <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.2407131018370.6233@aneurin.horsfall.org>
2024-07-13 2:25 ` John Levine
2024-07-13 9:57 ` [COFF] Re: machine code translation, as " Ralph Corderoy
2024-07-13 14:25 ` Dan Cross
2024-07-13 17:27 ` Aron Insinga
2024-07-12 17:03 ` [COFF] Re: machine code translation,as " Stuff Received
2024-07-12 18:01 ` Paul Winalski
2024-07-12 20:35 ` John Levine
2024-07-13 9:26 ` [COFF] Re: machine code translation, as " Ralph Corderoy
2024-07-12 18:54 ` [COFF] Re: machine code translation,as " Aron Insinga
2024-07-12 21:49 ` Dave Horsfall
[not found] ` <20240710203422.284BA18C077@mercury.lcs. <20240713095708.203D5220C9@orac.inputplus.co.uk>
2024-07-13 18:50 ` [COFF] Re: machine code translation, as " John Levine
2024-07-13 19:27 ` Paul Winalski
2024-07-13 19:42 ` Dan Cross
2024-07-14 1:09 ` Aron Insinga
2024-07-14 1:46 ` Aron Insinga
2024-07-14 16:16 ` Paul Winalski
2024-07-13 22:00 [COFF] Re: machine code translation,as " Douglas McIlroy
2024-07-13 23:46 ` John Levine
2024-07-14 0:54 ` Dan Cross
2024-07-14 1:04 ` Aron Insinga
2024-07-14 0:56 ` Aron Insinga
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