From: Adam Thornton <email@example.com>
To: Larry McVoy <firstname.lastname@example.org>, COFF <email@example.com>
Subject: [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Porting the SysIII kernel: boot, config & device drivers
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2023 10:21:38 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4000BF98-1847-4935-A7B4-D20322C543CF@gmail.com> (raw)
> On Dec 31, 2022, at 6:40 PM, Larry McVoy <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> All true except for the Forth choice. It's as bad, maybe worse, as
> choosing Tcl for your language. I've written a ton of Tcl but I
> need the Tk GUI part so I put up with Tcl to get it. I'd never
> push Tcl as a language that other people had to use. Same thing
> with Forth.
> I dunno what I'd pick, Perl in the old days, Python now (not that
> I care for Python but everyone can program it). Just pick something
> that is trivial for someone to pick up.
(Moved to COFF)
I rather like FORTH. Its chief virtues are that it is both tiny and extensible. It was developed as a telescope control language, as I recall, and in highly constrained environments gives you a great deal of expressivity for a teeny tiny bit of interpreter code. I adored my HP 28S and still do: that was Peak Calculator, and its UI is basically a FORTH interpreter (which also, of course, functions just fine as an RPN calculator if you don't want to bother with flow control constructs).
But I also make the slightly more controversial claim that FORTH is just LISP stood up on end.
These days I think the right choice for those sorts of applications would be Micropython. Yes, a full-on Python interpreter is heavyweight, but Micropython gives you a lot of functionality in (comparatively) little space. It runs fine on a $4 Pi Pico, for instance, which has IIRC 256KB RAM.
And if you find yourself missing TCL, there's always Powershell, which is like what would happen if bash and TCL had a really ugly baby that just wouldn't shut up. The amazing thing is that access to all the system DLLs makes it *almost* worth putting up with Powershell.
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