From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 28019 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2023 00:08:43 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Apr 2023 00:08:43 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2695E41287; Sun, 2 Apr 2023 10:08:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: from lists.tip.net.au (pasta.tip.net.au [IPv6:2401:fc00:0:129::2]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63CD040D1E; Sun, 2 Apr 2023 10:08:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (unknown [118.211.113.165]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailhost.tip.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4PpvWJ0kxqz8t0H; Sun, 2 Apr 2023 10:08:27 +1000 (AEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.21\)) From: steve jenkin In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2023 10:08:24 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <73FC4C4C-7479-4747-A528-3A49BB62752C@canb.auug.org.au> References: To: TUHS , coff@tuhs.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.21) Message-ID-Hash: 6TBFTLZ3UMNCZXFT754WAXXTOQRO6VUW X-Message-ID-Hash: 6TBFTLZ3UMNCZXFT754WAXXTOQRO6VUW X-MailFrom: sjenkin@canb.auug.org.au X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Ron Natalie X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Warning: April Fools List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: [ Please post follow-ups to COFF ] Ron, Thanks for the history, enjoyed very much. Quite relevant to Early Unix, intertwined with VAxen, IP stack from UCB, = NSF-net & fakery. The earliest documented Trojan, Unix or not, would be Ken=E2=80=99s = login/cc hack in his =E2=80=9CReflections on Trust=E2=80=9D paper. It was 1986 when Clifford Stoll tracked a KGB recruit who broke into = MILNET, then the first =E2=80=9Choneynet=E2=80=9D by Stoll. 1986 was also the first known PC virus according to Kaspersky. = The SANS Institute was formed the next year, 1989, creating structured = training & security materials. This structured, co-ordinated response, led by technical folk, not = NatSec/ Intelligence/ Criminal investigation bodies, created CVE=E2=80=99s, Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures, as a way to = identify & name unique attacks & vectors, track them and make vendors aware, forcing = publicity & responses. = The Internet eventually became a significant theatre of Crime & = Espionage, Commercial & National Security. Mandiant was formed in 2004 to identify, track and find sources of = APT=E2=80=99s, Advanced Persistent Threats. In 2010, they described APT=E2=80=99s tracked in their =E2=80=9CM-trends=E2= =80=9D newsletter. in Feb 2013, Mandiant publicly described =E2=80=9CAPT1=E2=80=9D and the = military unit & location they believed ran it. = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > On 2 Apr 2023, at 02:34, Ron Natalie wrote: >=20 > Once again, I must dredge up this post from 1991=E2=80=A6. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D For future reference, Kremvax lives! [ datestamp in email header ] iMac1:steve$ host kremvax.demos.su kremvax.demos.su has address 194.87.0.20 kremvax.demos.su mail is handled by 100 relay2.demos.su. kremvax.demos.su mail is handled by 50 relay1.demos.su. iMac1:steve$ ping -c2 kremvax.demos.su PING kremvax.demos.su (194.87.0.20): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 194.87.0.20: icmp_seq=3D0 ttl=3D46 time=3D336.127 = ms 64 bytes from 194.87.0.20: icmp_seq=3D1 ttl=3D46 time=3D335.823 = ms --- kremvax.demos.su ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev =3D 335.823/335.975/336.127/0.152 ms =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D -- Steve Jenkin, IT Systems and Design=20 0412 786 915 (+61 412 786 915) PO Box 38, Kippax ACT 2615, AUSTRALIA mailto:sjenkin@canb.auug.org.au http://members.tip.net.au/~sjenkin