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[86.252.237.244]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g7-20020a7bc4c7000000b003fe0a0e03fcsm7290674wmk.12.2023.08.04.10.19.59 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 04 Aug 2023 10:20:00 -0700 (PDT) References: User-agent: mu4e 1.10.2; emacs 28.2 From: Edouard Klein To: segaloco Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2023 19:06:41 +0200 In-reply-to: Message-ID: <87fs4yvi6f.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID-Hash: W74OBUSQ3MONQO2YJM3JJ2A3CFVJFTAA X-Message-ID-Hash: W74OBUSQ3MONQO2YJM3JJ2A3CFVJFTAA X-MailFrom: edouardklein@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: coff@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: Inferno/Limbo Experiences List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Hi Matt ! Inferno is friggin' awesome. You'll find plenty to read here: https://github.com/henesy/awesome-inferno This series of blog post will walk you through creating a basic grid: http://debu.gs/tags/inferno Inferno's documentation is (compared to Plan 9's) absolutely stellar. With Plan 9 I often have to resort to reading the sources, whereas Inferno man pages almost always explain things in context, as fully as I need. Also, If the 9p virus bites you, be sure to attend the next international workshop on plan 9: http://iwp9.org/ I learned more about Plan 9 in a few days than in years playing on and off with the system. Special thanks to the organizing committee and to Skip and Ron who took the time to answer my beginner questions, walked me through the codebase, and gave very valuable advice. I don't know if Charles Forsyth is reading here, but I asked him about use cases and he gave me interesting examples of Inferno use, maybe he'll pop up :) What I remember (I may be misremembering, so please don't take this as reliable information) is Inferno was used as the technical solution to solve client's problem, but clients did not care about inferno per se. So most of the use cases were quite ad-hoc and did not give rise to publications or directly shareable code. I've never used Inferno more than as a toy, but if the opportunity ever arise, I know I'll do it. I dream of creating an inferno powered smart home. It's somewhere on the todo list, down there... Please keep us updated on your explorations :) Cheers, Edouard. segaloco via COFF writes: > So as I was searching around for literature I came across someone selling a 2 volume set of Inferno manuals. I had never seen print manuals so decided to scoop them up, thinking > they'd fit nicely with a 9front manual I just ordered too. > > That said, I hate to just grab a book for it to sit on my shelf, so I want to explore Inferno once I've got literature in hand. Does anyone here know the best way of VMing Inferno these > days, if I can just expect to find a copy of distribution media somewhere that'll work in VirtualBox or QEMU or if there's some particular "path of righteousness" I need to follow to > successfully land in an Inferno environment. > > Second, and I hope I don't spin up a debate with this, but is this something I'm investing good time in getting familiar with? I certainly don't hear as much about Inferno as I do about > Plan9, but it does feel like it's one of the little puzzle pieces in this bigger picture of systems theory and development. Have there been any significant Inferno-adjacent developments > or use cases in recent (past 10-15) years? > > - Matt G.