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From: Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org>
To: coff@minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [COFF] Joys of PL/I [Was: Re: [TUHS] Book Recommendation]
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 12:20:31 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8AF13C12-639D-42E8-9C06-14A5138225CA@iitbombay.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e0f821bf-3bef-67e1-dca2-338180a5f156@gmail.com>

On Nov 16, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Nemo Nusquam <cym224@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 2021-11-16 09:57, Douglas McIlroy wrote:
>> The following remark stirred old memories. Apologies for straying off
>> the path of TUHS.
>> 
>>> I have gotten the impression that [PL/I] was a language that was beloved by no one.
>> As I was a designer of PL/I, an implementer of EPL (the preliminary
>> PL/I compiler used to build Multics), and author of the first PL/I
>> program to appear in the ACM Collected Algorithms, it's a bit hard to
>> admit that PL/I was "insignificant". I'm proud, though, of having
>> conceived the SIGNAL statement, which pioneered exception handling,
>> and the USES and SETS attributes, which unfortunately sank into
>> oblivion. I also spurred Bud Lawson to invent -> for pointer-chasing.
>> The former notation C(B(A)) became A->B->C. This was PL/I's gift to C.
>> 
>> After the ACM program I never wrote another line of PL/I.
>> Gratification finally came forty years on when I met a retired
>> programmer who, unaware of my PL/I connection, volunteered that she
>> had loved PL/I above all other programming languages.
> 
> My first language was actually PL/C  (and the computer centre did not charge for runs in PL/C).  I needed to use PL/I for some thesis-related work and ran into the JLC wall -- no issues with the former, many issues with the latter.  One of the support people, upon learning that I was using PL/I, said: "PL/I's alright!"

For my very first programming assignment @ USC I spent extra 17 hours due
to an extra space in the JCL statement! It wasn’t a total waste as I rewrote my
program twice, learned to prove to myself that it was correct and once I removed
the space and the program worked, I had a lightbulb moment: Computers were
not inscrutable or mysterious; they were just dumb and literal :-)

I learned IBM assembly language, Fortran and PL/C during those two semesters.
I even wrote an autorouter in Fortran for a project but that my last Fortran project.
Later for a part time job I tried to learn and use pretty much every feature of PL/I.
I found it easier to use than Fortran and fun. Then when I stumbled upon Iverson’s
book on APL and discovered I could use it from an interactive terminal, I managed
to convince the scientist I was working for to let me use it. That was even more fun
but it didn’t last as I made a careless mistake & the program ran too long and used
up most of my boss’es computing budget so it was back to PL/I!

> 
> N.
> 
>> 
>> Doug
> 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-11-16 20:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2021-11-16 18:54 ` Nemo Nusquam
2021-11-16 19:40   ` Charles H Sauer
2021-11-16 20:20   ` Bakul Shah [this message]
     [not found] ` <b355e6b8-720d-3078-d54a-2beb5ff79bd4@mhorton.net>
     [not found]   ` <CAEdTPBdVnPQMaDX0jOL81EkL1M7Eg=U4qWPwKMsr6SBc2Zz9vw@mail.gmail.com>
2021-11-23 15:23     ` [COFF] [TUHS] Book Recommendation Clem Cole
2021-11-24  0:38       ` [COFF] Self-hosting languages (was: Book Recommendation) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2021-11-24  1:48         ` Brantley Coile
2021-11-23 19:40     ` [COFF] [TUHS] Book Recommendation Dan Cross
2021-11-24  1:57     ` [COFF] PL/1 [Was: Re: [TUHS] Book Recommendation] Nemo Nusquam

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