From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 18386 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2023 22:29:26 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Jul 2023 22:29:26 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3A6429E9; Fri, 7 Jul 2023 08:29:23 +1000 (AEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuhs.org; s=dkim; t=1688682563; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-owner:list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=OYwrhJh9ftI2Ykh7sACFaUgu8wgXyXdoe5J+oQ0TcZg=; b=LiYzpY3ZQJHgGPXues6oERxNUrI3TEfiJQz78N60YE1+FUD7C6PxduZySgaGeK/K9LSlDV c/JJs1za5WmnKJrDNYCYbT5BaFgnj2b7db1dsg7Vz97KeSP6tsjvBXTjep6o6YBBE/13Hp pAL+IFV4aSTfRHLl6P6JrckgmVibRsU= Received: from mail-40140.protonmail.ch (mail-40140.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.140]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7270429E4 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2023 08:29:18 +1000 (AEST) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 22:29:09 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1688682556; x=1688941756; bh=OYwrhJh9ftI2Ykh7sACFaUgu8wgXyXdoe5J+oQ0TcZg=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=vtDVIolBcbJbx/OazERsH6uz7k/ql7YLPNvQH7AESYYqoLu8X49S3NiFiuOz84NYS lN4hf20iHWyLvxbUGSjsXT4R6KMMikIVoqsvnpGN2mEIG/Hgag0RpLOE3TAficthoc q4pcsWliL9/QZStNXj8fbxFv9yko4ltG2+BhPh8404KZL+FG13PxjvktHNYm/C7sIp U+06V8lGHC71qQELKGrUIBFWJ9pWKZnMr4hmqW95f1IVvKVDJcRT2SoZJBEePy1h+1 t6pYfDE3Boqqkk9mUm5Tbrb6hFXyQRchvlhuM9shglU19FKMqAobVib905FAWVMRau Svnew6nB2ArXA== To: steve jenkin Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <_l_rdK2ywBoEAheCu4dCFyJ3cyXymIXgMK9-_bgAtMwLXtmr2sZnuRvjFc6jqn6K0X_E2MuSEMm5_iVO7eBeYTOpRHVRuypykZD_au00R-c=@protonmail.com> Feedback-ID: 35591162:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: HFKK5FXOD6BWGPZIERCJVZG5J5Z55HMY X-Message-ID-Hash: HFKK5FXOD6BWGPZIERCJVZG5J5Z55HMY X-MailFrom: segaloco@protonmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: COFF X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: Bell System and the Video Game Industry? List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: From: segaloco via COFF Reply-To: segaloco X-Spam: Yes > Their mismanagement killed the business, causing Bell Labs as we knew it,= to eventually fade away. >=20 > I hope that=E2=80=99s somewhat an answer for me, if not correct & complet= e, it also explains why the =E2=80=98combatants=E2=80=99 > aren=E2=80=99t keen to talk about their experiences. >=20 > all my best > steve Oh I know that struggle all too well, what potential are we on the cusp of = vs. what do the suits want/need. Given WECo's legacy in the audio realm, I= find that Plan9 story particularly disheartening, electrified (audio) sign= als and the complex manipulation and supplementation thereof is what one wo= uld think is the chief concern of a telecom behemoth. I'd never heard the bit about the hardware business winding up with NCR, al= though I guess I've never looked in that direction as hard as the USL path = through Novell. That gives me more to study in my nebulous 3B20 and kin re= search. I'm glad I wasn't in the know at the time of all the SCO stuff (and was a k= id that didn't care) because I probably would've shoved all sorts of feet i= nto my mouth in the sorts of debates over software freedom that were going = on at the time. Looking back, that must've been such a frustrating time, I= don't blame folks for coming out of that with battle scars. Well now I've got this morbid curiosity to see if I can FPGA a WE32000-ish = video game console...but that goes on the endless pile of "eventually"s. Thanks for the background Steve! - Matt G.