From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 29799 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2023 16:41:51 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 7 Feb 2023 16:41:51 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC9440A5B; Wed, 8 Feb 2023 02:41:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pl1-f170.google.com (mail-pl1-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4038740A5A for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2023 02:41:38 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pl1-f170.google.com with SMTP id k13so16262641plg.0 for ; Tue, 07 Feb 2023 08:41:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=+bDLNSmEU6qN3kioScFNpTbhKYu+CD7cCmUbxsqUqUk=; b=DKPCn9HTygzbP11iSv9Y+OsIOE3G+x96IGMt0spIE8VGMqFbmOT/523kP9rovOKUKl SczkiBpcSCgM4eP9CNT07vvmCIe4vuuzXPSR+uWwjF43+mQWNfMaTml+FwV7o1JJ18De Z7fVfkumKv6oVns978O6cpeOAJ1ywrDfQrIKnviWzpHUFQw2raWThLQHJL4yconZab/8 M5BtXrtM/R9jobSv5T8yLR8V+pjrwOJHJfjqUtQnWLk0WQiwPK/grKtsVUwC6eHpQ0F3 ZavXuWiTRs8BwBM4RT7PbUyXWZd67arMAhfj3Z6eIWxuxx1G1f2zqIjzEHOb/3TN3SUx HBEw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=+bDLNSmEU6qN3kioScFNpTbhKYu+CD7cCmUbxsqUqUk=; b=inyI6pX7+xR3BPEhOZqEHAM6YTVDWhFehskYQWzGeizO558L7qOVmVphX8I+mDfRYf PLbAfAZrFW55/u6mow38eXbA653TlGX70tjpOemuLryIOzx0C4qT1XdaHmZHdduDUWF9 rILR8MONOJJ5l1+tA5G0Qy2oBfwO3OVOXB5yD6/ttVkd9MCzf3hN5rBsb8j8jSUJKmAg M4fhxXOCGB6TPJb0du9Y3cBuCvTY5tfraap8IB3ev+7xKzfqqKMLpKPLOL2BPVzgUnUc pQpioy4FpakJuY50HyO5CRYHVn9Cu5LAVFd9/T9DDg0aEyCi1QJabYbBQh6/5Beep/U9 Yi2w== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKXC87n9e5v1C497di7JBdPlWv3jruIALRRxBa8NUXM3SCkxvhco tL6aYBELiGy6SE4miWV2b7LXKVowvVsoDmmJLmk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set+6/Y0KkMG5tM0VWqW9kcMZd/Q1ve9we6Ay5J3zobKPg+JiLaSuW6J1Ub4MdGOLrNN+/qisAWf2d8xHXSAW+Cc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:3185:b0:22c:19bd:c51 with SMTP id j5-20020a17090a318500b0022c19bd0c51mr996495pjb.124.1675788037622; Tue, 07 Feb 2023 08:40:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6a11:3dc7:b0:412:8124:c58f with HTTP; Tue, 7 Feb 2023 08:40:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Paul Winalski Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2023 11:40:36 -0500 Message-ID: To: Warner Losh Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID-Hash: R3H6IYC4ZTB52SK2GLOGG5BKYXUHEF45 X-Message-ID-Hash: R3H6IYC4ZTB52SK2GLOGG5BKYXUHEF45 X-MailFrom: paul.winalski@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: segaloco , COFF X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: VAX/VMS 4.4 Source Listing? List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 2/6/23, Warner Losh wrote: > On Mon, Feb 6, 2023, 1:25 PM Clem Cole wrote: [quoting a VMS developer friend of his] >> >> *I had a complete copy of the master source pack in Marlborough during >> the >> Aquarius development/debug time; I know I put backup tape of that into >> the >> CHM. That has the CMS library which would go back to at least V1. (That >> would be c.a. 1987-9.) But the master* >> >> V1 is 77-79... or is the CMS from that time? I worked at one of the VAX-11/780 hardware beta test sites back in 1977-79. The machine ran VAX/VMS verison X0.5 at first, later upgraded to V1.0. I joined DEC in 1980 in the Methods & Tools software engineering group. At that time they were working on a tool called the System for Tracking the Evolution of Programs (STEP). This was a version control system using ideas from Unix's SCCS. The name STEP had trademark issues and so it was rechristened Code Management System (CMS). I think it was first released by DEC as a product in 1982. STEP would have been in early stages of development during the time that VMS 1.0 was being developed. The VMS group at that time used a tool called SLP as the core of their configuration management system. SLP could compare two versions of a text file and create a patch file (these were called "slipper packets") to convert one into the other. Configuration management consisted of keeping collections of slipper packets. The VMS development group converted to CMS ca. 82/83. I don't know which version of VMS was the base version for their CMS library. They probably started with the archived V1.0 release sources. But their CMS library would not have recorded the development history of V1.0. -Paul W.