From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 9473 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2023 22:40:22 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 12 Jun 2023 22:40:22 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD96B424F0; Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:40:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-x736.google.com (mail-qk1-x736.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::736]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D72AB4149E for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2023 08:39:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-x736.google.com with SMTP id af79cd13be357-75d518f6f74so34783385a.1 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2023 15:39:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1686609599; x=1689201599; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=p6Qbzo6QmmK/PuDyV6UgAaRrLI30ItiT2emayyqBEbw=; b=bKfZWEJON1EQW+pEif4t3yiymTfgqKEgmgCF7TymaK/zyKGQ39o9i7GzIjExlpQgiv rlVK0LthWvJgVm+69kvm3pcp3sWz1yvMt3lURUNMQKgo107f+6cC4uox7VGAKC0VLbVv ZeHCcdH6oP47zkTpDOQSDEsXn1GX9OBnOYulg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1686609599; x=1689201599; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=p6Qbzo6QmmK/PuDyV6UgAaRrLI30ItiT2emayyqBEbw=; b=BVxneG1vpUjon8M9kjpPonbEnwJMtd/LiAIf0nOJMYjVQU9WOCOudW4/3GcICLEgvi TPxGa/9E3wfS7GH4ieFuNAQ8nOz0/v/VR77XbZURySZgOZUcM11Ij2D55PcTJGNR0y40 J7uKwxywc0p8sBpq/t/b5uWyaKwWLWg6BXEiOFKvAkDzrjSPbP4lXDC8bzKo4mfHOcXq Q+onQ9Cbhew8qCTsPDwFoAT4B37sRsqK108ATEKdyf9j2dcwH5AM9ax+VWs8DlkrUusD zwSkYWGUILzmnFLU7RJJ5yl2nWNBsijHfKRp895hnlSKwItonKHrIE5Cy1la9dGIxe6U SgtQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDxw6GLF14rlMQow+DNze2iHaoF1hkm0zVaJe6+kYq/VLdU95Cp5 uWQGZaXQ33oYMfgVXr+4dr8v4PY+wmQh7CsKVI7TSA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ7aOTs4t5tQ3HYrNKKmArja5zYgH52JynqRjldVoGKZeb0nyaM6D7wOsFpIvM08OS8vWui5elS81W4OmFPw3Ow= X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:4015:b0:760:8f2e:ae6f with SMTP id h21-20020a05620a401500b007608f2eae6fmr3654596qko.52.1686609598626; Mon, 12 Jun 2023 15:39:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230612213912.mywv5znz66pk3n5q@illithid> In-Reply-To: <20230612213912.mywv5znz66pk3n5q@illithid> From: Clem Cole Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2023 18:39:32 -0400 Message-ID: To: "G. Branden Robinson" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000000509005fdf666d1" Message-ID-Hash: OLYMCV5KDZ7XMZUFDO3PDEI7XBPHP7QQ X-Message-ID-Hash: OLYMCV5KDZ7XMZUFDO3PDEI7XBPHP7QQ X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society , Computer Old Farts Followers X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Re: crt0 -- what's in that name? List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000000509005fdf666d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apologies to TUHS - other than please don't think Fortran did not impact UNIX and its peers. We owe that community our jobs, and for creating the market in that we all would build systems and eventually improve. Note: I'm CCing COFF - you want to continue this... On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 5:39=E2=80=AFPM G. Branden Robinson < g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> wrote: > It's an ill wind that blows a Fortran runtime using the same convention. > Be careful there, weedhopper ... Fortran gave a lot to computing (including UNIX) and frankly still does. I did not write have too much Fortran as a professional (mostly early in my career), but I did spent 50+ years ensuring that the results of the Fortran compiler ran >>really well<< on the systems I built. As a former collegiate of Paul W and I once said, "*Any computer executive that does not take Fortran seriously will not have their job very long.* It pays our salary." It's still the #1 language for science [its also not the same language my Father learned in the late 50s/early 60s, much less the one I learned 15 years later - check out: In what type of work is the Fortran Programming Language most used today , Is Fortran still alive , Is Fortran obsolete FWIW: These days, the Intel Fortran compiler (and eventually the LLVM one, which Intel is the primary developer), calls the C/C++ common runtime for support. Most libraries are written in C, C++, (or assembler in some very special cases) - so now it's C that keeps Fortran alive. But "in the beginning" it was all about Fortran because that paid the bills then and still does today. =E1=90=A7 --00000000000000509005fdf666d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Apologies to T= UHS - other than please don't think Fortran did not impact UNIX and its= peers.=C2=A0 We owe that community our jobs, and for creating the market i= n that we all would build systems and eventually improve.

Note: I= 'm CCing COFF - you want to continue this...

On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 5:39=E2=80= =AFPM G. Branden Robinson <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> wrote:
It's an i= ll wind that blows a Fortran runtime using the same convention.
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Be careful there, weedhopper .= ..=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0Fortran gave a lot to computing (including = UNIX) and frankly still does.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I did not write have too much For= tran as a professional (mostly early in my career),=C2=A0 but I did spent 5= 0+ years ensuring that the results of the Fortran compiler ran >>real= ly well<< on the systems I built.=C2=A0 =C2=A0As a former collegiate = of Paul W and I once said, "Any computer executive that does not ta= ke Fortran seriously will not have their job very long.=C2=A0 It pays o= ur salary."=C2=A0
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It's still the= #1 language for science [its also not the same language my Father learned = in the late 50s/early 60s, much less the one I learned 15 years later - che= ck out:=C2=A0 In wh= at type of work is the Fortran Programming Language most used today,=C2= =A0=C2=A0Is Fortran still alive,=C2=A0Is Fortran obsolete

FWIW:=C2=A0 These days, the Intel Fortran compiler (a= nd eventually the LLVM one, which Intel is the primary developer), calls th= e C/C++ common runtime for support.=C2=A0 Most=C2=A0libraries are writt= en in C, C++, (or assembler in some very special cases) - so now it's C= that keeps Fortran alive.=C2=A0 But "in the beginning" it was al= l about Fortran because that paid the bills then and still does today.=C2= =A0

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