Re: [COFF] [TUHS] 386BSD released

[Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>]

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And remember add in the copyright to that does not come about until much,
much later in UNIX's life.  After Judge Green and after the cat was out of
the bag, and when AT&T was allowed to be in the computer business.   Pre
Judge Green - if you go in the V7 source that Warren has you will see:

[ctcole-mac09:ResearchEditions/v7_SeventhEdition/V7_FileTree] ctcole% cat
bin/true
[ctcole-mac09:ResearchEditions/v7_SeventhEdition/V7_FileTree] ctcole% cat
bin/false
exit 1
[ctcole-mac09:ResearchEditions/v7_SeventhEdition/V7_FileTree] ctcole% ll
bin/{false,true}
-rwxrwxr-x  1 ctcole  staff  - 7 Jan 10  1979 bin/false
-rwxrwxr-x  1 ctcole  staff  - 0 Jan 10  1979 bin/true
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On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 3:33 PM John P. Linderman <jpl.jpl@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ted observed:
>
> I always thought the implementation of /bin/true, which was a shell
> script where the license statement proclaiming AT&T's copyright was
> longer than the "exit 0" line, was both incredibly funny, and
> incredibly sad.
>
>
> It's been a long time since I looked at the AT&T source, but I recall that
> the version number was pushing 2 digits. It's hard to get it "wrong" on
> the first try
> (although I could possibly do it). More likely, the version numbers
> reflected
> changes to the licensing wording. -- jpl
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 1:38 PM Theodore Y. Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 10:50:07AM -0400, Clem Cole wrote:
>> >
>> > Ted -- yes, your generation put a >>name<< to the behavior, which is a
>> > wonderful thing and something you can be proud.  But the behavior of
>> openly
>> > sharing your work product with the community long predates, Linux, the
>> > wider Internet, *et al. * It is sad a minimum, if not downright
>> > disingenuous to say "open source" was created at that point.
>>
>> No one said that "open source" was created at that point.  The perl,
>> BSD, FSF's emacs, gcc, and other software published under the GPL all
>> predated the definition of the **term** "Open Source".
>>
>> However, I strongly contest the claim that Unix was "Open Source".
>> Unix was the UNPUBLISHED TRADE SECRET of AT&T, and students exposed to
>> Unix source code became contaminated with AT&T's "methods and
>> concepts" clause.  So they couldn't even *reimplement* Unix without
>> potentially getting sued by AT&T.
>>
>> I always thought the implementation of /bin/true, which was a shell
>> script where the license statement proclaiming AT&T's copyright was
>> longer than the "exit 0" line, was both incredibly funny, and
>> incredibly sad.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>                                                 - Ted
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