From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 20709 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2023 17:33:32 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 13 Jun 2023 17:33:32 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C344F4107E; Wed, 14 Jun 2023 03:33:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vk1-xa2b.google.com (mail-vk1-xa2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::a2b]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2149440C5F for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2023 03:33:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vk1-xa2b.google.com with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-46e4ba859c5so335806e0c.2 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2023 10:33:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; t=1686677599; x=1689269599; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=7wAwa1U8QpDO3zagY6Ii/C+9U5c2d+7y+xWsLvCX48A=; b=e+E8XBUw8J5HzExFNyaMgfx1pmfU1gSH6HKW8/IO/bwAZvcjsyn4VobmoaLnpN7mRK 9N4ol4tXf46GIgLUmVcRcaanL9oq/XlxOXiV5U0aQqqW87u81CX3Nq6WcqyPM1otN5uh YEE0dGF58UCTSr9sZjsNm7kardBvDuZ2+4k20= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1686677599; x=1689269599; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=7wAwa1U8QpDO3zagY6Ii/C+9U5c2d+7y+xWsLvCX48A=; b=L0mabGVClQlrQ/RpBg7/SfGaY4dvDwDv/SOfpaPs7JDYnTjnvIZUhvUOMUyfFWCRgk ETzVa7DZLpvOB9bbX5fLczZlWjn1ag8tw1jyFA1KIcoR/5oLqNYck/sMA9OqL0frAJYU nEAt86Nezpir61kZajK2NEA67J6wxdRjOD5eFERUIxDFpiSt+5tnkabUMuMu5anlXLsy YBRPVEwGLhCDXqOOYzIPmZwzUyUjheO3R3gNoIGgBfbrunI/lgI6h8A5OzvlDnqOxcbO ml/mCq7TgiLvU2tN0pSa/xNGceKQWi1bI7IIMzer4Zzx5aY3NeMe7+rAIYXy9ja3upI2 KgkA== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDxMsn4u9CIS/RHzTtTfeKTNYOkZLQcvkAm9N06sEaoOFB8pwVc+ 142+iBrcAu4DuHK50dxnnL4d+qgI1Y6D8Bp+1Mu6oA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ7eCEznqidfW+xLBn05MnRcwRQMnY6V0Bg1XaRA81+aM7cB2UEcN/mZqunouWEY2keqJaV+D8NCBplf3nIf3q8= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:bd58:0:b0:46d:fd21:76fb with SMTP id n85-20020a1fbd58000000b0046dfd2176fbmr1956453vkf.10.1686677598765; Tue, 13 Jun 2023 10:33:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230612213912.mywv5znz66pk3n5q@illithid> <20230612234953.pwu7oi6hyglsaqzs@illithid> In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2023 13:32:52 -0400 Message-ID: To: segaloco Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000020352605fe063b38" Message-ID-Hash: 6LEOCVPE7PRPZ4TEJRRC5IVMWGZTV6NO X-Message-ID-Hash: 6LEOCVPE7PRPZ4TEJRRC5IVMWGZTV6NO X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Paul Winalski , "G. Branden Robinson" , Computer Old Farts Followers X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Re: crt0 -- what's in that name? List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000020352605fe063b38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 1:05=E2=80=AFPM segaloco via COFF w= rote: > The permuted index is surprisingly useful in this regard but isn't always > there in manpage sources, you'd have to generate it. > Indeed. @Doug do you know who was the brilliant person that came up with that tool and built the first UNIX PTX? I always felt they should be lauded for that piece of work! It was something that when I first learned about UNIX that I did like. I was primarily coming from TOPS and TSS, and UNIX was strange when I first saw it -- cat instead of print or type, of course, being the first roadblock. But when I found the PTX was one of the first times that "light dawned on marble head." I saw UNIX long before "learn" was released, but I certainly had helped enough new users by the time it was available that the "learn" tool, a printed copy of the man pages, and PTX were where I told "newbies" to start= . =E1=90=A7 --00000000000020352605fe063b38 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Jun 13, 2023 at 1:05= =E2=80=AFPM segaloco via COFF <coff@tuh= s.org> wrote:
The permuted index is surprisingly useful in this regard but isn't= always there in manpage sources, you'd have to generate it.=C2=A0
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Indeed.=C2=A0 @Doug do you know who= was the=C2=A0brilliant person that came up with that tool and built the=C2= =A0first UNIX PTX? I always felt they should be lauded for that piece of wo= rk!

It was something that when I first learned=C2=A0about UNIX that I did like.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I was primarily co= ming from TOPS and TSS, and UNIX was strange when I first saw it -- cat ins= tead of print or type, of course, being the first roadblock.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Bu= t when I found the PTX was one of the first times that "light dawned o= n marble head."

I saw UNIX long before "learn" was re= leased, but I certainly had helped enough new users by the time it was avai= lable that the "learn" tool, a printed copy of the man pages, and= PTX were where I told "newbies" to start.
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