From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7672 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2023 20:25:59 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Feb 2023 20:25:59 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E0D40A71; Tue, 7 Feb 2023 06:25:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vs1-f54.google.com (mail-vs1-f54.google.com [209.85.217.54]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6715C40A6D for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2023 06:25:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vs1-f54.google.com with SMTP id z22so48257vsq.11 for ; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 12:25:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccc.com; s=google; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=MsctaNqWWa4GNy1DAYaWIK1WB2Lkq6JWD2J9Tbeb6h0=; b=a4ckvpkWqRz48Yio0ZbQID+L+Jp2HM8rVu6D5GZnE/BBvKWCauRnTpxMpYqaufHhMA wRJ33g+D8tSTiw+Bcc5xlyPBjwXH5KH9CkqfKepxvydheYGiV3OgqfbhLcczFx5L4iUM 27sar/tc6ePHOJTsMGT7tDcqVv1yoVrNjwUyA= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=MsctaNqWWa4GNy1DAYaWIK1WB2Lkq6JWD2J9Tbeb6h0=; b=S/uO5l8F303FNfyoIX9hV8rgeAdSaeTyAKpER5opt8nrMttPRaYg6Jc913xC7SVrJN e0CaSzGCagxeZ9ZX4o6hc4ECrriGUSi5jpweCR9D0LEnGQWKVN55ILrgkrwwF9f/dugz WMTvc8gZcoObrF4D5fGPyUYPF8oKLb1vzm090W2MNYWgr0tWzDRSHkGLWpPYWbzu+g5s DqxBzU6Wi0gBPuoecLRnt6SnkqaFeNXyK09uUQqX6vgxibIOYxQVwKdaNtdjbOS04bHc oZJ5e331LV2QhIA9SsDGb6ANZD9+jzL5f6EskpAu+AH0DxsOXacViWTxaiagADpVOeXo At2g== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKVhHPpbGd9ETqlXl+j+OdbZul4QDfsiW5YHeWJt/rjeYni/7/4x RBUy6LvVPnoBBh65aTnDE3kI5NModOgSg7EQawhehDpJzr51302OQAQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set/DapT46oFe4g2yoYDvq/4GfgVP++pR6e7ttoh+YcrIiYxnrU6BS2SdswbeVnZqWZIijvPS9kf3FMH7yJUk0dk= X-Received: by 2002:a67:d214:0:b0:3d2:4b17:1395 with SMTP id y20-20020a67d214000000b003d24b171395mr199736vsi.10.1675715060434; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 12:24:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Clem Cole Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 15:23:54 -0500 Message-ID: To: segaloco Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ec219305f40dd089" Message-ID-Hash: 72BO5DNTZYY3PWTJXLITN4J7WQAGWHJE X-Message-ID-Hash: 72BO5DNTZYY3PWTJXLITN4J7WQAGWHJE X-MailFrom: clemc@ccc.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: COFF X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: VAX/VMS 4.4 Source Listing? List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000ec219305f40dd089 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt, I sent a former co-worker the VMS developer lead an email this AM. I was pretty sure I knew the answer to my question when I asked if this had any value. His reply was: *Not sure about this particular version, but there certainly are other copies floating around.* *One thing to be aware of is that to my knowledge**, DEC never released a complete source kit outside of the company at any price *(... we certainly had that behavior in Ultrix/Tru64-land I know for sure...)*. The kits redacted "sensitive" information, including some of the authentication methods and the license enforcement (er, compliance assistance) code. What was sold as a "source kit" (media, under license) was, nonetheless considered a trade secret with all the markings. * *I had a complete copy of the master source pack in Marlborough during the Aquarius development/debug time; I know I put backup tape of that into the CHM. That has the CMS library which would go back to at least V1. (That would be c.a. 1987-9.) But the master pack contains only the VMS OS & some tightly coupled products (e.g. rms). The languages were elsewhere, as was the workstation software.* Clem =E1=90=A7 On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 12:38 PM segaloco via COFF wrote: > Good morning all, I was wondering if anyone in this group was aware of an= y > known preservation of VAX/VMS 4.4 source code? > > Just saw this on eBay: > https://www.ebay.com/itm/195582389147?hash=3Ditem2d899e6b9b:g:neYAAOSwmQJ= j3EkH > > I certainly don't have the equipment for this in my arsenal, but at the > same time, if this represents long-lost source code, I'd happy try and na= b > it and then get it to someone who can do the restoration work from this. > > Thoughts? > > - Matt G. > --000000000000ec219305f40dd089 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Matt,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I sent a former co-worker the VMS developer lea= d=C2=A0an email this AM.=C2=A0 I was pretty sure I knew the answer to my qu= estion when I asked if this had any value.=C2=A0 =C2=A0His reply=C2=A0was:<= /font>

Not sure about this particular version, but there certainly are o= ther copies floating around.

One thing to= be aware of is that to my knowledge, D= EC never released a complete source kit outside of the company at any price= =C2=A0(...=C2=A0 we certainly had that behavior in Ultrix/Tru64-land I k= now for sure...).=C2=A0 The kits red= acted "sensitive" information, including some of the authenticati= on methods and the license enforcement (er, compliance assistance) code.=C2= =A0 What was sold as a "source kit" (media, under license) was, n= onetheless considered a trade secret with all the markings.=C2=A0

I had a complete copy of the master source pack in Marlborough= during the Aquarius development/debug time; I know I put backup tape of th= at into the CHM.=C2=A0 That has the CMS library which would go back to at l= east V1.=C2=A0 (That would be c.a. 1987-9.)=C2=A0 But the master pack conta= ins only the VMS OS & some tightly coupled products (e.g. rms).=C2=A0 T= he languages were elsewhere, as was the workstation software.


Clem=

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On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 12:38 PM s= egaloco via COFF <coff@tuhs.org>= wrote:
Good mor= ning all, I was wondering if anyone in this group was aware of any known pr= eservation of VAX/VMS 4.4 source code?

Just saw this on eBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/195582389147?hash=3Ditem2d899e6b9b:g:neYAAOSwmQJj= 3EkH

I certainly don't have the equipment for this in my arsenal, but at the= same time, if this represents long-lost source code, I'd happy try and= nab it and then get it to someone who can do the restoration work from thi= s.

Thoughts?

- Matt G.
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