From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: wobblygong at gmail.com (Wesley Parish) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 13:29:14 +1300 Subject: [COFF] Popular Programming languages over time In-Reply-To: References: <20200319023423.GZ26660@mcvoy.com> Message-ID: FWVLIW, I'm fooling around trying to learn PHP at this moment. Yes, web development is pretty big, and it is driving the usage of those languages. What gets me with PHP - and Javascript, which I'm going to have to learn if I want to really enter this web development career - is the lack of type-checking. A nephew, who is currently employed in Kubernetes and web development, uses Microsoft's Typescript in preference (Typescript may be one of Microsoft's redeeming developments - it's more typesafe than Javascript, though how much I don't know! :) Wesley Parish On 3/20/20, Adam Thornton wrote: > PHP was the BASIC of the late 90s and early 2000s; Javascript was (and is) > the BASIC of the subsequent generation. > > I mean that, of course, in both good and bad ways, and as someone whose > initial experience was BASIC in the ROMs of Apple IIs and C64s. Bad in > that neither one is a well-(or even particularly-intentionally) designed > language. Good in that it's easy to get the results you want with some > iteration and very little theory or formal training; a novice can > bootstrap/cargo-cult something into being pretty easily. > > Adam > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 8:04 AM Clem Cole wrote: > >> I saw that a while ago. I'd love to know more about the dataset behind >> it >> as Larry asked, >> >> FWIW: Pascal/Delphi being big did not surprise me as it was what was >> taught in the colleges in the 70s. Today they are teaching Python and >> Java so we see generations of new programmers going into the world with >> those skills (like my own daughter). >> >> Larry - I think the way to explain Ada, is that it was very big for a >> while when DoD, DoC and some of DoE when USG bids required it. But as >> fast >> as it rose, it fell pretty fast from favor. >> >> For me, I'm always amazed at things like Javascript and PHP, but their >> rise is directly mapped to people creating web sites. >> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 10:34 PM Larry McVoy wrote: >> >>> I'd like to know where the data came from. Ada that big? Says who? >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 03:41:22PM -0700, David Barto wrote: >>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og847HVwRSI >>> > >>> > It???s kind of amazing how long Pascal hangs on to #1. >>> > And you can watch the ascent of web programming. >>> > >>> > David >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > COFF mailing list >>> > COFF at minnie.tuhs.org >>> > https://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/coff >>> >>> -- >>> --- >>> Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com >>> http://www.mcvoy.com/lm >>> _______________________________________________ >>> COFF mailing list >>> COFF at minnie.tuhs.org >>> https://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/coff >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> COFF mailing list >> COFF at minnie.tuhs.org >> https://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/coff >> >