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* [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Warning: April Fools
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@ 2023-04-02  0:08 ` steve jenkin
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From: steve jenkin @ 2023-04-02  0:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: TUHS, coff; +Cc: Ron Natalie

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Thanks for the history, enjoyed very much.
Quite relevant to Early Unix, intertwined with VAxen, IP stack from UCB, NSF-net & fakery.

The earliest documented Trojan, Unix or not, would be Ken’s login/cc hack in his “Reflections on Trust” paper.

It was 1986 when Clifford Stoll tracked a KGB recruit who broke into MILNET, then the first “honeynet” by Stoll.


1986 was also the first known PC virus according to Kaspersky.

	“Brain (boot) , the first PC virus, began infecting 5.2" floppy disks in 1986.”

2nd November 1988, the Morris worm escaped from a lab,
& overloaded the Internet for a week.

Causing CERT to be formed in November 1988 in response.

The SANS Institute was formed the next year, 1989, creating structured training & security materials.

This structured, co-ordinated response, led by technical folk, not NatSec/ Intelligence/ Criminal investigation bodies,
created CVE’s, Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures, as a way to identify & name
unique attacks & vectors, track them and make vendors aware, forcing publicity & responses.


The Internet eventually became a significant theatre of Crime & Espionage, Commercial & National Security.

Mandiant was formed in 2004 to identify, track and find sources of APT’s, Advanced Persistent Threats.
In 2010, they described APT’s  tracked in their “M-trends” newsletter.
in Feb 2013, Mandiant publicly described “APT1” and the military unit & location they believed ran it.



> On 2 Apr 2023, at 02:34, Ron Natalie <> wrote:
> Once again, I must dredge up this post from 1991….


For future reference, Kremvax lives! [ datestamp in email header ]

iMac1:steve$ host has address mail is handled by 100 mail is handled by 50

iMac1:steve$ ping -c2
	PING ( 56 data bytes
	64 bytes from icmp_seq=0 ttl=46 time=336.127 ms
	64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=335.823 ms

--- ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 335.823/335.975/336.127/0.152 ms


Steve Jenkin, IT Systems and Design 
0412 786 915 (+61 412 786 915)
PO Box 38, Kippax ACT 2615, AUSTRALIA

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* [COFF] Fwd: [TUHS] Re: Warning: April Fools
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@ 2023-04-02 15:53       ` John Cowan
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From: John Cowan @ 2023-04-02 15:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: coff

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I sent this to coff, but it bounced.  Trying again.

[-tuhs] [+coff]

On Sun, Apr 2, 2023 at 3:39 AM Noel Hunt <> wrote:

Charles li reis, nostre emperesdre magnes, Set anz totz pleinz ad ested in
> Espagnes.
> A translation would be most helpful. It looks like a mixture
> of Spanish and Mediaevel French...ah, it is the La Chanson de
> Roland.

Yes, it's Old French, and means "Charles the king, our great emperor[*] /
Seven full years has been in Spain."  You pronounce it pretty much like
Spanish, except for the "z" which is pronounced "ts".

[*] Old French had two noun cases, nominative and oblique (a combination of
the Latin genitive, dative, accusative, and ablative).  In 99% of modern
French nouns, only the oblique survives.  In particular, "emperesdre" is
the old nominative of "empereor"; it survives today in the name
"L[']empriere".  A dozen nouns picked up different semantics in the
nominative and both survived: sire/seigneur, prêtre/Provoire (proper name),
copain/compagnon, pâtre/pasteur, chantre/chanteur , maire/majeur,
gars/garçon, and (most surprising) on/homme. In a few nouns, only the
nominative survives: soeur, peintre, traître (English traitor is from the
oblique), and the names Charles, Georges, James (now in English only),
Hugues, Marie, and Eve.


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