From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 20740 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2023 15:53:25 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Apr 2023 15:53:25 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99FAC41285; Mon, 3 Apr 2023 01:53:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-x92e.google.com (mail-ua1-x92e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::92e]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1060F4120F for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2023 01:53:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-x92e.google.com with SMTP id q8so11546667uas.7 for ; Sun, 02 Apr 2023 08:53:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; t=1680450794; x=1683042794; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=gpu6Zk2XAjsSieveVFr5pUWOCU4gcYKjBuPXTb1PzPg=; b=yO8q9E0M2W+AKpo+gt4RXWabwJ/f4Qk1DZJMAjmv80RneAlWzTb6+X7mGxgQz7XzzS Ubp7vUDatE29M/Mb6OvaItccPBFOdXFu0KmWKMJ43FyGPU45PvkN32fi1XneimTFlmJj 6mp1eWG74Tb+aNoE+/IWFvcoWpOhFy7SsMapWoKkaf/eaWJEJcxW9/QeErG7BbjJsbkc v6DTQWMZMy3w+iIICAavRJ18Pks1S8hahZQECXYbr86TmSUIx2EmO47gngrXpX9+DMJM 7Jzj9idX11C7QdN7Sw3r4aD5Ahyi/0kCY07g8kl97V7wnuXa+KqJgE78Uai7ZE4eK1eP yZDw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1680450794; x=1683042794; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=gpu6Zk2XAjsSieveVFr5pUWOCU4gcYKjBuPXTb1PzPg=; b=HCdpK/Z2f9yzLSLh5pEum4vSxpYC9/55SlB7vcmEKYLGc5E0px1K5FHIvI21zoUeED 7+lxp+ihiwvP2zdQOfubXyy2Agm9NImU4NM30WOsxENUXVMg7gYrNu70ytHnhfZzPePg rDGJercggnNa0THY/EUYdHztk2LksnKOJvInohbb9cj3WZWlNc61wwRX4vkyDjDk7/dC Inqq4F1NkXyUNQ2PGehmTDZlMrqzbgPiEi28kl8GRTgfxUvFcDxmZQq4Ie109gUGCjhE 02VYfaK6+Zs2K+CgZLcwP3kcbu905pA8L354go2WP4QF5WhN0gPIKF8hjyczN6gElWmK G9Zg== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9ctLQjCoelB2oInUKhf4OsHDl7w0Acfey5PWyTx4AsIyfG1HPAx 65QgALpLbYaqtAPr/ljeRn0bCyGgB4blRXxC2UmaWBnoOB4PwF8k X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350YUcT+O4+3C7DM1PD0rWqno174/ZT011Yvdq0c6tkjiPF4qY2EEWHQLDM4T3YER+7HMFL+F0Ydvjt5LARWwHaM= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:b401:0:b0:431:f19e:fdd with SMTP id d1-20020a1fb401000000b00431f19e0fddmr17866099vkf.1.1680450794633; Sun, 02 Apr 2023 08:53:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: John Cowan Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2023 11:53:03 -0400 Message-ID: To: coff@tuhs.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ad5a1d05f85c70c1" Message-ID-Hash: KJTF5SNYBDKDUX2PZ2ETGQLMH3EPCRBB X-Message-ID-Hash: KJTF5SNYBDKDUX2PZ2ETGQLMH3EPCRBB X-MailFrom: cowan@ccil.org X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Fwd: [TUHS] Re: Warning: April Fools List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000ad5a1d05f85c70c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I sent this to coff, but it bounced. Trying again. [-tuhs] [+coff] On Sun, Apr 2, 2023 at 3:39=E2=80=AFAM Noel Hunt wrot= e: Charles li reis, nostre emperesdre magnes, Set anz totz pleinz ad ested in > Espagnes. > > A translation would be most helpful. It looks like a mixture > of Spanish and Mediaevel French...ah, it is the La Chanson de > Roland. > Yes, it's Old French, and means "Charles the king, our great emperor[*] / Seven full years has been in Spain." You pronounce it pretty much like Spanish, except for the "z" which is pronounced "ts". [*] Old French had two noun cases, nominative and oblique (a combination of the Latin genitive, dative, accusative, and ablative). In 99% of modern French nouns, only the oblique survives. In particular, "emperesdre" is the old nominative of "empereor"; it survives today in the name "L[']empriere". A dozen nouns picked up different semantics in the nominative and both survived: sire/seigneur, pr=C3=AAtre/Provoire (proper n= ame), copain/compagnon, p=C3=A2tre/pasteur, chantre/chanteur , maire/majeur, gars/gar=C3=A7on, and (most surprising) on/homme. In a few nouns, only the nominative survives: soeur, peintre, tra=C3=AEtre (English traitor is from = the oblique), and the names Charles, Georges, James (now in English only), Hugues, Marie, and Eve. > --000000000000ad5a1d05f85c70c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I sent this to coff, but it bounced.=C2=A0 T= rying again.

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= On Sun, Apr 2, 2023 at 3:39=E2=80=AFAM Noel Hunt <noel.hunt@gmail.com> wrote:

Charles li reis, nostre emperesdre mag= nes, Set anz totz pleinz ad ested in Espagnes.

A translation woul= d be most helpful. It looks like a mixture
of Spanish and Mediaevel French= ...ah, it is the La Chanson de
Roland.

Yes, it's Old French, and means "Charles the king, ou= r great emperor[*] / Seven full years has been in Spain."=C2=A0 You pr= onounce it pretty much like Spanish, except for the "z" which is = pronounced "ts".=C2=A0=C2=A0

[*] Old French ha= d two noun cases, nominative and oblique (a comb= ination of the Latin genitive, dative, accusative, and ablative).=C2=A0 In 99% of modern French nouns, only the oblique survives.=C2=A0 In part= icular, "emperesdre" is the old nominative of "empereor"= ;; it survives today in the name "L[']empriere".=C2=A0 A dozen nouns picked up different semantics in the nominative and both surv= ived:=C2=A0sire/seigneur, pr=C3=AAtre/Provoire (proper name), copain/compag= non, p=C3=A2tre/pasteur, chantre/chanteur , maire/majeur, gars/gar=C3=A7on,= and (most surprising) on/homme. In a few nouns, only the nominative surviv= es: soeur, peintre, tra=C3=AEtre (English traitor is from the oblique), and= the names Charles, Georges, James (now in English only), Hugues, Marie, an= d Eve.
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