From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 5821 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2021 20:04:12 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 14 Jul 2021 20:04:12 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A3BFC9C0FD; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 06:04:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4DEE95038; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 06:04:02 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="vmVGfCfm"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 37F1F95038; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 06:04:01 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f47.google.com (mail-qv1-f47.google.com [209.85.219.47]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C4B494566 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 06:04:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f47.google.com with SMTP id f5so1663480qvu.8 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 13:04:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ccil-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=LgnkRiQ4uccUiuwiNAeKpfy29tFpXr6ExTU7o3qw81I=; b=vmVGfCfmXaZgQIUiJ1JBXbSNwatPFu2f36ht29ZxUlloNOACzwOsgmBQwWmqgj6rIQ PvAO6CfsyelhF2+9+z/y5PEQRiuuz7OrURsLz3Rgm+fHc3gNJFJPsZDx/p0R2TZKPRSw ktPSAhqXgBbExU3RSEeH/X+o1TM+pYuSyuWE57bq22PUrVw8bw6KPpsRzNe1uzF83cuM rHfLZ2OkJnCi7vmg3EPxYa1ny2vaVFeX01h5GvqEMjbT1YWy3sB1rAWrA0q8CxPM2atJ nVYKAnMyGWvz6yVmjic0EopSRWEOCqXcs24nf3SwUtPNGTeMNW8jj/Wdm0F10iNq58vj htsQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LgnkRiQ4uccUiuwiNAeKpfy29tFpXr6ExTU7o3qw81I=; b=kF0bSb4alCljz+pvO5Sdvi2iPes5txeawTDXyW/zid5pZCrmh17rimrhYHDyZBrJvu WsbLH6zhEIB88ElrrxPsGplwcVncosZBT/KxsY/yx6TYhwpBQcRf9DZWsSpFZ9NZAPCG CgG8Cj3vVp+Z8uHH1EXdT668AgLm/pAqJmPGL9D0lS7UCeNHCWcLkk94FuFgtCQ98O2w vjZXtd86Cx50DVTGn/vHLopdyBD7XE0MY7cBae7DgoDDQq7glX0YYv13e3lqlqyMENr6 lLA8yEF2f9MiP/vi4HpZT67xjdYrrueW7ZHAMQNgwf1mAiEmmAYGkvhIjRi9zDaakwJR vJSA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532fe7ZHdetMZY4kri+QZ21WemJe2RMxKqasSFEVQLTRg1Uqpgha K/2cgegOwMEaF2Kjz6MELasEaYzDv99gvVX86lzRCA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwZsM740cw9iBC9USbuniVhI3Hp0/F0Oe+rvS3daFAjz58Mrys66P6BrMT72dg3NQ8iS5cGM9XFQzevyyBrzRw= X-Received: by 2002:ad4:5bee:: with SMTP id k14mr12478461qvc.10.1626293039393; Wed, 14 Jul 2021 13:03:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <213a4c11-3ab2-4b4a-8d6b-b52105a19711@localhost> In-Reply-To: From: John Cowan Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 16:03:48 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" Subject: Re: [COFF] [TUHS] 386BSD released X-BeenThere: coff@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Computer Old Farts Followers Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8132600777991397656==" Errors-To: coff-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "COFF" --===============8132600777991397656== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ea048a05c71adac6" --000000000000ea048a05c71adac6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" [-TUHS] On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:41 PM Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > If AT&T were still trying to > sell Unix under its original terms including the AT&T Unpublished > Trade Secret "all your student's minds belong to us" license, and > tried to claim that Unix was "Open Source", the Open Source Initiative > could sue AT&T for trademark infringement. > "Open Source" has never been an OSI trademark, possibly because "open source" is a technical term for intelligence whose source is publicly available, such as books, newspapers, and magazines. OSI's trademarks are "OSI", "Open Source Initiative", and the green logo. "Open Source" was applied for by Software in the Public Interest as a certification mark signifying compliance with the OSD in 1998, but was abandoned the following year. The term is also an (irrelevant because non-conflicting) trademark for an Irish company for "research and consultancy services in the field of sustainable food and drink product development" and "whey protein for use as an emulsifier or binding agent in food", and for a New York company for "muzzle brakes that screw onto a rifle barrel". > > --000000000000ea048a05c71adac6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Wed, Jul 14= , 2021 at 1:41 PM Theodore Y. Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
=C2=A0
=C2=A0If AT&T were still trying to
sell Unix under its original terms including the AT&T Unpublished
Trade Secret "all your student's minds belong to us" license,= and
tried to claim that Unix was "Open Source", the Open Source Initi= ative
could sue AT&T for trademark infringement.

"Open Source" has never been an OSI = trademark, possibly because "open source" is a technical term for= intelligence whose source is publicly available, such as books, newspapers= , and magazines.=C2=A0 OSI's trademarks are "OSI", "Open= Source Initiative", and the green logo.=C2=A0 "Open Source"= was applied for by Software in the Public Interest as a certification mark= signifying compliance with the OSD in 1998, but=C2=A0was abandoned the fol= lowing year.=C2=A0

The term is also an (irrelevant because non-conflicting) tradema= rk for an Irish company for "research and consultancy services in the = field of sustainable food and drink product development" and "whe= y protein for use as an emulsifier or binding agent in food", and for = a New York company for "muzzle brakes that screw onto a rifle barrel&q= uot;.

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