From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291862201F for ; Thu, 16 May 2024 15:46:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B5E43A97; Thu, 16 May 2024 23:46:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-x229.google.com (mail-lj1-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::229]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7A2F43673 for ; Thu, 16 May 2024 23:46:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-x229.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2e34e85ebf4so6601061fa.2 for ; Thu, 16 May 2024 06:46:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1715867176; x=1716471976; darn=tuhs.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=obbV08mN2Bw2C0StFtqRR7Ur3cxvsSqZtocDFycgHd8=; b=GA4wEuy9cTKl8QGfuy7rREZZzPg2GdCvo6wwXj+kX8u/2VPvchrotcm2BnEyL2967B 8XsgINQlcEbjm/69Xf0clfo8YRzF8htR5cLU+e9j4orJiDmmDUA7498hG5HNyvcGzDui o8s0jf1isnck6/kEyAcvzldnFm8BX6BorcIFkzA16ehZpRs9PPUN2SLUn2ziiK/Sl7iG IOInAZjQVOfT3qXClrk+iAHNaFqUGgAzA0+knD7HmfZ9h938c7IBBOdexnyi/8X/Bvy+ 24N2Kq+mKuLvL2wVUBD5khWXELkWiSY+Xl/kkzZWytUUjgQL/ZAqsssHvCPKyfqz3trR F3iw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1715867176; x=1716471976; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=obbV08mN2Bw2C0StFtqRR7Ur3cxvsSqZtocDFycgHd8=; b=RsoLeiyEcKo3L5ImjdZltEec/6+UJkuEjkZahjnnxJquAYhfMOOfS8+O2e8Zd8Q94F Oqq140NTANbk60hfQQzV2EARoAg2xJ1oHtF1XL4YFjxWvGeRDqZHpqbcXwfpO+NGdjdo af9U3f0FKe9nAZhIzX/+DLr0IPBqtUjGBTgPHFqsPek2mINhN0rE6rBzB64TtCvM3bTa Giy7iyeMyOljTVWcGumVa/kdD/pxLZZCgIBUuJ8xwW/KdOzbk87/Ilg3kVEoxIqmtviI AAW20fBr3Q2p0FyIB0G2gmfQ5hTIrp/rBQJAKgXn8ux8l5XF6Q+4HLrzDllJfLSCezKs FVTA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yx2RQePLfxqDC8uOFrMPz73NEtIJQul+GxH+K/7cZBc9HmXpccc hnk6d32z7YVl19WbBFCyNKPuzulDjYJQudBeOfnjg34vNy4IBV8XX7F273XFIJz4uVwQNZUu9xK UwJQQzb2pgR0bZ81rK7dk/vvv7b0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFr6Qrbvr2NUyjnCyRDGVkzgQe/Fm3mA3FDuzYTynrvK0v3isYruSNAnakDEDPJq2O2mDj+Ki3HgJ0UeFOSupU= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:460a:0:b0:2e6:ed20:9059 with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2e6ed2094c5mr40197981fa.48.1715867175464; Thu, 16 May 2024 06:46:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202405160651.44G6pi8G018059@freefriends.org> <20240516073351.267351FAE3@orac.inputplus.co.uk> In-Reply-To: From: Dan Cross Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 09:45:38 -0400 Message-ID: To: John Cowan Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: JPBGKRZT2DYPQCWNDQNM7NSP3AB524CD X-Message-ID-Hash: JPBGKRZT2DYPQCWNDQNM7NSP3AB524CD X-MailFrom: crossd@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: coff@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Re: Be there a "remote diff" utility? List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 7:51=E2=80=AFAM John Cowan wrote: > [snip] > This appears to be a VHS vs. Betamax battle: NFS was not transparent, but= Sun had far more marketing clout. However, the Manchester Connection requ= ired a single uid space (as far as I can tell), which may also have been a = (perceived) institutional barrier. So did NFS, for that matter. This is one of those areas where Unix appears creaky in comparison to Plan 9. `ssh` is all about remote access to resources, whereas plan 9 was all about resource sharing: you'd set up a namespace with all of the resources (exposed as files from wherever they ultimately came from) you cared about, and then operate on those "locally"; the resources were shared with you and access was transparent, via a consistent, file-based interface. You want to `diff` two remote files? Import the filesystems they're both on, mount those somewhere, and `diff /n/host1/file /n/host2/file`. I think the `sshfs`+FUSE model that Doug mentioned is about the closest you're going to get these days. - Dan C. - Dan C.