From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 13696 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2023 22:17:54 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 27 Feb 2023 22:17:54 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06585432E4; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 08:17:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-x136.google.com (mail-lf1-x136.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::136]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A15CC432DC for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 08:17:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-x136.google.com with SMTP id bp25so10666028lfb.0 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 14:17:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=hamnD2dm0Vwze2Yv+U9tvA1jp12vCQJKlHWmhIo9N8Q=; b=Da0dQP9Ycj4aoIRPNoVciFgjNvsE7uijYZN3BvjjGWw4QXXH5Uu9H1B39VapD4bktw L424r2tg+e8koQj+Yi+BFPiOGyB62ywyfLYWH67wVhLwEkEqG3s+UiexAziV2dci/HCh aznpFTzx98dNxEQssSRujkWjGWSSF/4UwPILV0aC/98I+e2FI7hwA+uL0luWtCpeSTba bqeS8Qx1JVFv7Bk7InUDLPbq+PI5UYqscsOsGBGxMgvDS8Y/UQYeUa8RYaEQgMA3t5x7 8pDgQazJOYcS1/EIOOWCdWpwgIthkdlbGrvlFs0EusIEZXwrT8iR/d72O8Z/nPIgTboR QGdQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=hamnD2dm0Vwze2Yv+U9tvA1jp12vCQJKlHWmhIo9N8Q=; b=lsZSos2L91KNQMiESigatyKLatZYsReCqTEmQViXJJzi1FvFU87WxIYGQ6OKRAITfq l7o4O+EdORweJsKTIGNlDTrrqd+WQ37CIU/ea7HlgPl4gB8RlKOUFt+0V1UzIrDAotzO cAlF6ipBHjfcoEM+WdvUC3Qzvkso8cU0wTOCaIyrp0CwTrSuN/541z3nUvNUzffZsa1Q wMSCRPMNV0B4giHBMbqz4bLZt2yGKl67veK6W9XyJqfiqzfU3Bdq+Sobc+4SBWagAvmw 2rCjGtBWFORsh8ryzjZUdC9jDBgYzAT2uQfOb3/DraVn1u52WxHaKInUsy1hyDac/tib Ov2g== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKVyPuS1wp20Kvg06tisEzJDCQaKLoWHDim7IjTM8Ub5Y85VBDyt VbYRHyEKSWEN8DCsyoXijLD7kJEsC7+noEiQv+A= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set/FVkitPL8yaakiQWegipo86S5oXypwoh+lQGTPuz1Bm3gcJLUPpS6n/ohO0/wQruUNgfbYHtDpI2cVb353rnk= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:4837:0:b0:4dc:807a:d149 with SMTP id 23-20020ac24837000000b004dc807ad149mr38393lft.10.1677536267557; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 14:17:47 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <16241ceb-fe92-7f25-bda0-0b327847728d@case.edu> <735c811e-62ce-5384-b83f-a3887baac89d@case.edu> In-Reply-To: From: Dan Cross Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2023 17:17:11 -0500 Message-ID: To: KenUnix Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: MVD76YW7HB7K6OVNS4VPBNCGRDPFSLN7 X-Message-ID-Hash: MVD76YW7HB7K6OVNS4VPBNCGRDPFSLN7 X-MailFrom: crossd@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: segaloco , COFF X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Re: Generational development [was Re: Re: Early GUI on Linux] List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 5:06 PM KenUnix wrote: > Have they not heard of common sense? Whenever I get something from git I = look through it to > check for something suspicious before using it and then and only then do = I do make install. Up to what size? What about the dependencies? How about the compiler that compiles it all? I have a copy of the Linux kernel I checked out on my machine; it's many millions of lines of code; sorry, I haven't read all of that. I often install things using the operating system's package manager; I haven't read through all that code, either. Life's too short as it is! > And today's cookie cutter approach to writing software means they are not= learning anything > but copy paste. Where's the innovation? I imagine that when people made the switch from programming in machine code to symbolic assemblers, and then again from assembler to higher-level languages (FORTRAN! COBOL! PL/I!). And so on. Consider that, perhaps, the innovation is in how those things are all combined to do something useful for users. My ability to search, read documents, listen to music, watch real-time video, etc, is way beyond anything I could do on the machines of the early 90s. Not everything that the kids do these days is for the better, but not everything is terrible, either. This list, and TUHS, bluntly, too often makes the mistake of assuming that it is. Innovation didn't stop in 1989. - Dan C. > On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 4:22=E2=80=AFPM Dan Cross wrot= e: >> >> [COFF] >> >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2023 at 4:16 PM Chet Ramey wrote: >> > On 2/27/23 4:01 PM, segaloco wrote: >> > > The official Rust book lists a blind script grab from a website pipe= d into a shell as their "official" install mechanism. >> > >> > Well, I suppose if it's from a trustworthy source... >> > >> > (Sorry, my eyes rolled so hard they're bouncing on the floor right now= .) >> >> I find this a little odd. If I go back to O'Reilly books from the >> early 90s, there was advice to do all sorts of suspect things in them, >> such as fetching random bits of pieces from random FTP servers (or >> even using email fetch tarballs [!!]). Or downloading shell archives >> from USENET. >> >> And of course you _can_ download the script and read through it if you w= ant. >> >> And no one forces anyone to use `rustup`. Most vendors ship some >> version of Rust through their package management system these days. >> >> - Dan C. > > > > -- > End of line > JOB TERMINATED > >