From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22050 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2023 21:17:38 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Aug 2023 21:17:38 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F1C40FD5; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 07:17:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lj1-x231.google.com (mail-lj1-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::231]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C2CB40FD1 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 07:17:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lj1-x231.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2b9d3dacb33so3849851fa.1 for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2023 14:17:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1691011043; x=1691615843; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=Kny6GUUo8xQPI3kW5CEnBcgwsrFnm0Ofla4lLRvqY0s=; b=GYCjgidpVWcHsGE+nT1dyL3ht2l3w27im9xcrcF1SWZR31BT4cBhbH+WvZXePd1JQ4 jeMrTQVIXWMcWRUWahv/GhdeYuRUcx01KLIguIbSkYJDBIdicJHOi8KzTGchcDlP6PPc ZgTSFBPQVvXym2u0Ri77gQZgdediNXfsTopvXZjMSFGHFe28WKD9WUHn2CT5YFqsZfmQ PA6F/eopFNu86M94YWJpCcujOo5m/4UwyScJO6xzwtWdBKf4tFcI6r8C9aMqq6RAM2k1 TzlvFhTyHtE/BSK9rOLr3Qoc4iR6RDsW04sp0ZcyuJzpTS1yexJEZrB/JybCgAEBwDjL WavA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691011043; x=1691615843; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Kny6GUUo8xQPI3kW5CEnBcgwsrFnm0Ofla4lLRvqY0s=; b=k/C98Ph+fgaKngjDF6dU9NgvCMaUthNa3i8TGZcvHQcmSvaT/n0b7Awwa2Dcs9Eev/ fLM2jJxBBFlgoDLo/PLHYpzKWqpGMU3P5Kry7eeBw3LRP/+Ypvk8aYdqFJcltGGGWyOj OhOy292lQhrjyrScX0VrbNMzDrHpbQZFQ+d89ofl58G74WSV1rkODo6Mdu3gfhbkSPOS hcSUlU5E7X9s0eYahfyCB8M924XD1tDX8EmXgSXSNgumA9+MRJ7We7N2Z4f4uUePB/at OGhJRhA63csxUuWuCeHL80F4bDbwuk0VtJPsnv2hszg1L9tNgsHy1beVjQFA4KPpyzoW fFHA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLaJUQdbu1tz6zqgrmemo6qo8oYBEhakoVxJ4TJ3SW03F063KAwO gpd1MEm3bXtKr05rwHgXIy4oN+CO6jE7AGCXcO1375O6 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlG0Mb4F8WPNo0UkaNeh5+X/R093pLVHIr/AnGHIJCjYxN1iABFZErLmEL/ZUChZ805wLENz8dhwQfqehybf9Xo= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:95cd:0:b0:2b7:344c:a039 with SMTP id y13-20020a2e95cd000000b002b7344ca039mr5791054ljh.33.1691011042532; Wed, 02 Aug 2023 14:17:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87edknw0r1.fsf@hack.org> <1b01cf3b-41d7-cd82-044a-7973b84ca203@tnetconsulting.net> <1f4408f9-a487-ae3b-84e4-e585b35c80bb@tnetconsulting.net> In-Reply-To: <1f4408f9-a487-ae3b-84e4-e585b35c80bb@tnetconsulting.net> From: Dan Cross Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 17:16:46 -0400 Message-ID: To: Grant Taylor Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: PYRSA67IOO35GRFSNNBCIW5HXGOR2UF4 X-Message-ID-Hash: PYRSA67IOO35GRFSNNBCIW5HXGOR2UF4 X-MailFrom: crossd@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: coff@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [COFF] Re: [TUHS] Re: the wheel of reincarnation goes sideways List-Id: Computer Old Farts Forum Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, Aug 2, 2023 at 4:58=E2=80=AFPM Grant Taylor via COFF wrote: > On 8/2/23 11:07=E2=80=AFAM, Dan Cross wrote: >[snip] > > Exactly. There are even pre-baked things one could put together > > that would serve much the same purpose. Going back to gopher et al > > seem like throwing out the baby with the bathwater. A small HTTP > > server that serves a little subtree of files on some random port > > and automatically renders markdown or something into trivial HTML is > > really all one needs. > > I always wanted something that would re-use the same content between > multiple services. > > I can make the same file(s) available via: > > - FTP(S) > - HTTP(S) > > Why can't I make the same file(s) available via Gopher too? I'm sure you can if that interests you. I just don't see much of a point, personally. But if that's what you're into, get on down with it. > I wondered if it might be possible to do some magic at the file system > level where the same source file(s) could be used and add wrappers > around it to integrate said source file(s) into rendered files served up > via the various protocols. > > Obviously I've not yet been motivated to do anything with Gopher in this > regard. > > I'd likely include a BBS interface in this menagerie if I could do so. > For various $REASONS. I don't know why that wouldn't be easily doable in a server for each protocol. I believe that some BBS packages already do this, but I don't really know. > > Tell that to the Fidonet people. :-) > > The last time I looked, much of Fidonet (proper) and other FTNs were > still using the Fido protocol (nomenclature?) to communicate between > nodes. There were a few offering SMTP gateways. > > Have more of them migrated to SMTP gateways where Fidonet is now more of > a separate SMTP network? No. I think most of the actual Fidonet people are either waiting for the Big One and the collapse of the Internet, or arguing about how someone dissed them in 1989. > > I don't see what the protocol has to do with it, but sure. > > I should clarify that I view SMTP as used on the Internet today as a > very large network of federated email servers speaking a common > protocol. As such the network is largely interdependent on various > other parts of the network, e.g. DNS. > > I was hoping that Fidonet (proper) as an FTN was still using Fido > protocol (nomenclature) such that it was largely independent from the > aforementioned SMTP network. > > Does the protocol separation make more sense now? I thought I was rather clear that one could use the SMTP protocol independently of the existing email network, but sure. - Dan C.